Interesting Blind Defense...

[Willluck]

Is this a leak?
No reads.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

[J.R.]

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Is this a leak?
No reads.

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yes.

the hand v an average/default 2-4 player is a bit much as they tend to be passive and loose

[Catch of the Day]

I would lead the turn, then c/f the river unimproved. PF is fine though.

Catch-

[J.R.]

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
3,369,814,272 games 12.408 secs 271,584,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 39.4010 % [ 00.36 00.03 ] { KJo }
Hand 2: 60.5990 % [ 00.57 00.03 ] { AA-66, AKs-A8s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KJo, QJo }


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[New001]

He's raising with a lot more hands than that though, isn't he?

[NickRegino]

nice play, i probably wouldn't have had the balls to play it like that ^^, good win

[J.R.]

I dunno, isn't the default/average pfr at 2-4 like 6, this is 14%, does the unkown but likely loose passive 2-4er get that much frisky on the button...

hero is crushed here and it takes a fair number of more hands to approach 50-50 but hero i still out of positon (although dead BB money is nice we don't have a read on BB which could help)

-intiative is great but even against top 20% of hands (seems generous for 2-4 default button open number), these are still fairly premium hand soemwhat unlikely to get bowled over postflop

-herois a BIG DOG in the above spot and OUT OF POSITION amd maybe above is generous for default 2-4er

-default 2-4er is a bit loose, further nullifying the intitive factor (perhaps)

-we have no read on the BB

[New001]

Yeah, but he's open-raising from the button. He could be on any ace, maybe any king, and a few limping hands like QTo or JTo.

[J.R.]

could.. should.. look at the numbers and tell me what is likely, maybe you're right and they are real live down at 2-4 (i suspect not) but pick out what you think is a reasonable range of hands and run the numbers on poker stove and see that KJo is not a favorite unless our button opener is real liberal preflop..sure pokerstove isn't eveything but its a nice starting point cause you know your positional disadvantage is a significant negative to overcome

this is a full 2-4 game

[New001]

KJo still probably isn't the favorite, I'm just saying that he'll open-raise a lot more hands than that first sim. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Catch of the Day]

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<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
3,369,814,272 games 12.408 secs 271,584,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 39.4010 % [ 00.36 00.03 ] { KJo }
Hand 2: 60.5990 % [ 00.57 00.03 ] { AA-66, AKs-A8s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KJo, QJo }


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I think that the range of hands might be a little broader than that. Although the standard 2/4 player is a little on the nittish side, I really hate calling here, and folding. Which are you proposing? Also, an equity analysis is not the only information you should take into account when considering whether or not this play is a correct one. Aggression wins hands, and I think that putting in the last bet PF and betting out on the flop holds some merit.

Catch-

[brazilio]

There's no way the hand selection is going to be that narrow from a button open raise. I don't have particular stats on this, and reads are crucial here, but the average party donk has a larger range of stealing hands than most 2+2ers do. That's because they don't expect them to be defended. I 3-bet the same preflop every day. KTo is about my limit in the SB though.