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TAKEitDOWNwill

04-26-2005, 01:48 AM

thanks in advance for you help...
I was just looking for some help on playing my pp's as I am a little unsure if I play them correctly. Here are two hands on Party Poker that came up tonight. Please comment on any mistakes or holes on any street.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+2 ($24.5)
MP1 ($9.75)
MP2 ($43.62)
MP3 ($24.5)
CO ($33.8)
Button ($14.15)
Hero ($42.5)
BB ($28.73)
UTG ($27.5)
UTG+1 ($19.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
5 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, MP3 folds, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($3) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls $1.

Turn: ($5) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($5) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $11

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($3.1)
UTG ($18)
UTG+1 ($23.5)
UTG+2 ($24.65)
MP1 ($86.6)
MP2 ($22.5)
Hero ($24.2)
CO ($25)
Button ($25.6)
SB ($24.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.25. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.75) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets $2, MP2 folds, Hero calls $2, CO folds, SB calls $2, BB folds, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: ($7.75) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($7.75) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets $3, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, MP1 raises to $20, Hero calls $12.

Final Pot: $47.75

thanks again and let me know what you think...

TAKEitDOWNwill

04-26-2005, 03:24 AM

bump... please help

Jacob_Gilliam

04-26-2005, 04:04 AM

In hand one you need to bet that turn. Unless he has a queen youve got him beaten about 90% of the time. If hes got you beaten youll hear about it soon enough. Also, on the flop bet the whole pot not just half. Youre trying to win it right now not build a bigger pot. One more thing, when you check the turn you're just asking him to bet back into you. You may as well bet and see where you stand. (basically if he reraises you probably have to fold unless you know hes capable of a bluff raise).

In hand two MP1 has probably got a straight. Hes trying to push you off your hand. Youll win this 90% of the time. When he makes his first bet you should be thinking of how to get all in which happened so no problems there. (but im almost sure hes got a straight, if he has a seven, chalk it up to bad luck).

zeero3

04-26-2005, 04:12 AM

On the second hand I'm almost positive he DOES have the 7 (probably A7), but that's what you want him to have. Full house beats 777A6

Jacob_Gilliam

04-26-2005, 04:17 AM

I dont know anything about the player, but with a straight on board i cant see the villian reraising with trips when if he gets called he knows hes going to lose. Im sticking with straight.

Jacob_Gilliam

04-26-2005, 04:27 AM

By the way, on the first reply i was thinking 76s not a hand like A7. Im assuming villian is not an idiot (maybe he is).

sawseech

04-26-2005, 04:38 AM

hand1 bad but not terrible reraise pf
bet more on the flop
turn+ do whatever you feel best about (i think this one merits another shell)

hand2 fold the flop

TAKEitDOWNwill

04-26-2005, 05:05 AM

thanks for everyones help...

two things:
First I didn't reraise preflop in the first hand. Did you mean it was a questionable raise?

Also I know it was probably a weak call on the flop in hand two which but I guess I justified it because I had the open-ended straight draw. Does this turn the call into a correct one or as I assumed was it wrong to call their?

Jacob_Gilliam

04-26-2005, 05:08 AM

On hand #2 you're getting correct odds to call (with implied odds).

edge

04-26-2005, 05:10 AM

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Also I know it was probably a weak call on the flop in hand two which but I guess I justified it because I had the open-ended straight draw. Does this turn the call into a correct one or as I assumed was it wrong to call their?

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On the contrary. I raise the flop.

Jacob_Gilliam

04-26-2005, 05:16 AM

Actually, depending on your opponent, raising might be a good idea, maybe better than calling, but i cant see folding here. So i agree with the previous poster (unless your opponent is super agressive, you dont want to go all in with this just yet).

-Skeme-

04-26-2005, 07:40 AM

I don't like the raise in Hand 1. I'd just limp and play the nines for set value. They're harder to play out of position when overcards fall.

PinkSteel

04-26-2005, 08:31 AM

Hand 1, I agree, I play 9s from SB for set value only. Unless you see another 9, you win only a small pot, not a big one.

I think Hand 2 play is OK. A good argument could be made for folding to the flop bet, as the board is tricky and some of your outs may not be clean, but I probably wind up calling too. (I am a donkey, however.) Checking the turn and keeping your investment modest is good. On the river, Villain's raise indicates a straight; if he turned a higher boat, then he either disguised it well at the turn or sucked it out on the river. Like an earlier poster said, I think you win this much of the time; you're certainly getting pot odds to call.

canis582

04-26-2005, 08:45 AM

Hand 2: Shouldnt he have pushed the river? His hand is almost always good.

PinkSteel

04-26-2005, 09:26 AM

I think it's read-dependent, since there are two other opponents still in the pot when the bet comes to OP, so it depends on how much you think each opponent would call. I probably would have raised more but I don't have a compelling argument for doing so.

swolfe

04-26-2005, 09:32 AM

hand 1: i don't generally raise that from SB at a full table. i might consider it since there was only one limper, but you have to play it more aggressively. bet the full pot on the flop, and follow up with a 1/2 pot bet on the turn. check the river if he calls the turn.

hand 2: i'd have raised the flop as a free card play, but whatever...they gave you a free card anyway. i'd have pushed the river. the straight is the most likely draw. the only thing you're really worried about is 67, which kind of seems possible given the flop bet and turn check. you have to push here though because you're giving up EV to all of the other more likely hands that you're beating.