Live 2/5 500NL, action game.

[BigEndian]

My part in this hand was pretty obvious, but I wanted to post others' hands and get feedback along those lines.

I have 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif7/images/graemlins/club.gif in MP3 and a stack of $550. A LAG player, who thinks I'm tight, but otherwise respects my play raises to $50. He can make this raise with a LOT of hands, but his normal raise to $25 means he has any two cards - so this $50 raise probably puts him on mid pocket pair or some good looking broadway cards. Folded to the button who calls and the BB calls.

Four players: ~$200

Flop: 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Our stacks:
LAG: $1100
Me: $500
Button: $350
BB: $1700

BB checks, the original raisor pushes, everyone calls.

LAG flips TT.
I flip my 77.
Button flips Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
BB flips A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Several questions for the gallery, easiest to hardest:

1) Do you call with a $400 stack and QJs on the button and a $50 initial bet, one caller and both of them have you covered?

2) Do you push with TT and an OESD with three players sharing the action?

3) Do you call with the nut flush draw (we'll discount top pair since you have to figure your 9 is no good and your two-pair and trip outs are dubious) when you're getting ~2-1 but the changes of a set being out there are good but are discounted against it by the shorter stacks?

- Jim

[MarkL444]

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BB checks, the original raisor pushes, everyone calls.

LAG flips TT.
I flip my 77.
Button flips QJ
BB flips A9


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OMG HUGE EV. So many outs are counterfeited. (sp)

[etgryphon]

Damn....

I think I can see maybe the TT. I can't see a call from any of the hands.

I really hope you raked the chips in.

-Gryph

[BigEndian]

If you're the button with $350 in front of you, you're getting close to 3-1 on your money with, until the BB turns his hand over, looks like more than enough outs to justify. I thought this was the easier of the plays. Disagree?

- Jim

[etgryphon]

I think it is close. By the time it gets back to you I think you have count at least 2-3 of your outs dead then it is pretty iffy. I think I would have folded. I don't like calling with hugh draws and you have to think that someone has a higher flush draw. I think I would only make this call with A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif or A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif if I was drawing.

I could be a pansy also...

-Gryph

[98romaine]

I think 10-10 played it the best. Continued the aggression he showed pre flop, puts a lot of pressure on a higher PP if its out there, and leaves himself with outs to win the hand.

I hate calling my chips off here on a draw even with decent pot odds, just prefer to be the aggressor in situations like these.

[DrPublo]

Does the original raiser have the Td?

The Doc

[BigEndian]

I don't remember. Is it a high enough diamond that it would effect your decision?

- Jim

[Delphin]

Is this a home game or B&M? I'm going to vegas in the summer and planning to play $1/$2 and $2/$5 NL.

[BigEndian]

Something in between. Not a friendly home game, not a casino run game.

- Jim

[Delphin]

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Several questions for the gallery, easiest to hardest:

1) Do you call with a $400 stack and QJs on the button and a $50 initial bet, one caller and both of them have you covered?

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Preflop, I wouldn't play QJs in a raised pot. I think his flop call was good. He has a gutshot straight flush draw with two overcards. Getting over 3:1 on his money here I think he has to call.

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2) Do you push with TT and an OESD with three players sharing the action?

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Yes. He raised preflop and flopped one of the best possible flops other than a set. He has an overpair and an OESD.

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3) Do you call with the nut flush draw (we'll discount top pair since you have to figure your 9 is no good and your two-pair and trip outs are dubious) when you're getting ~2-1 but the changes of a set being out there are good but are discounted against it by the shorter stacks?

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The BB should probably call. The stack sizes here make for an interesting situation. He's wagering $600 in a side pot against the LAG only. Heads up against the lag, he has a great hand with tons of outs even if he's behind. The $350 main pot is giving him 3:1 odds, which with the flush draw alone makes for a pretty good equity edge. I think summing up his pot odds as ~2:1 doesn't adequately describe the situation. It's a much easier call when you consider the side pots.

Result
Two Dimes Equity Calculator (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=916002)
pokenum -h 7s 7c - ad 9d - qd jd - ts tc -- 9h 8d 7d
Holdem Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 8d 7d 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7s 7c 430 52.44 390 47.56 0 0.00 0.524
Ad 9d 214 26.10 606 73.90 0 0.00 0.261
Qd Jd 27 3.29 793 96.71 0 0.00 0.033
Ts Tc 149 18.17 671 81.83 0 0.00 0.182

The button really got screwed here. He couldn't have known how badly his hand was counterfeited. Against a higher flush draw, a pocket pair containing two of his gutshot outs, and a set he is drawing almost dead. /images/graemlins/frown.gif