Best Pitcher to get 1 out

[diddle]

[Apathy]

Who is up to bat?

This makes a big difference imo.

[diddle]

that is true. But K-rod is so nasty that it may not matter.

[pryor15]

Gagne.

but only if we're limited to the here and now. then i change my answer to someone like bob gibson

[SackUp]

I love K-rod and the Halos, but for one out I think Gagne is better. man right now it's hard to not say Clemens. The old man is damn out of control!

[The Stranger]

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Gagne.

but only if we're limited to the here and now. then i change my answer to someone like bob gibson

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Gibson was before my time, but I don't think I've ever seen any human with nastier stuff than Lee Smith.

[[censored]]

No, YOU are a idiot.

Doug Sisk.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I really hate polls like these.

[Jack of Arcades]

Dan Kolb

[Beerfund]

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Dan Kolb

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I'd take Smoltz any day.

[Dynasty]

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I really hate polls like these.

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That's because polls which don't actually give you real options are:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/DynastyPoker/tinky.jpg

When will people learn this?

[diddle]

that's what it says. Me am idiot

[bwana devil]

Current Pitchers:

17. Francisco Rodridguez


All Time List:

628. Francisco Rodridguez

edit: list made by bwana

[Skipbidder]

Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Lefty Grove
Mordecai Three Finger Brown

A reliever perhaps?
How about Eckersly?

[Huskiez]

Mariano Rivera.

[ThaSaltCracka]

its because people think they are funny.

[nothumb]

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Mariano Rivera.

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Five years ago maybe.

NT

[Beerfund]

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Mariano Rivera.

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Five years ago maybe.

NT

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Never maybe.

[Phat Mack]

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but only if we're limited to the here and now. then i change my answer to someone like bob gibson

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Gibson would be a good choice, but then again Gibson would be a good choice if you needed 27 outs.

If I wanted one out, I'd want someone who could generate some fear in the batter. Someone like J R Richards, or, hey, now that you mention it, Bob Gibson.

[BWebb]

I'll take this guy:

http://www.spitemag.com/bile/lineup/art/vaughn.jpg

[PoBoy321]

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I'll take this guy:
http://www.spitemag.com/bile/lineup/art/vaughn.jpg

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wp

[bholdr]

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change my answer to someone like bob gibson

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or satchel paige or koufax.... probably still gibson.

[pryor15]

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Mariano Rivera.

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not in fenway. or arizona

[James282]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050417/capt.dxf10704172248.giants_rockies_dxf107.jpg

[InchoateHand]

Vida Blue.

[DougOzzzz]

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I'll take this guy:

http://www.spitemag.com/bile/lineup/art/vaughn.jpg

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I think he's a bit overrated myself. Sure, in his prime, he was great. His strikeout rate was excellent. But even then, his walk rate was poor. He is among the all time leaders in career hit batsmen per batters faced.

I think alot of his perceived value comes from his reputation as being a "clutch" pitcher. This is based on his performance down the stretch in the Indians' pennant runs in 1988.5 and 1989.5. However, numerous studies have concluded that "clutch" hitters are either non-existant or very rare. Although no studies on "clutch" pitchers have been done to my knowledge, I see no reason to believe that it is any different for pitchers. Regardless, his "clutch" numbers were actually no better than his typical numbers - opponents actually hit for a slightly higher OPS with runners on base than they did with the bases empty.

[DCIAce]

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Gagne.

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I'd add an "and it's not even close" but I haven't done so yet, and don't intend to start. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[tbach24]

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Dan Kolb

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me = lol'ing

[Rick Diesel]

You're poll is gay. And right now my choice of all the current pitchers in baseball would be Jason Schmidt. If you are only talking about relievers, then I choose Brad Lidge.

[Paluka]

This depends on exact situation too. 2 outs guy on third and you want a Nolan Ryan type, but that don't work with bases loaded.

[Los Feliz Slim]

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Gagne.

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I'd add an "and it's not even close" but I haven't done so yet, and don't intend to start. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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You guys mean the pre-steroid testing Gagne, right? Because if you've seen him hanging around the Dodger dugout this season (where he's still sloooooowly recovering), your boy has dropped more than a couple lb's.

[tbach24]

With the funk that Lidge is in, it's gotta be between Gagne and K-Rod. The difference is that Gagne is injured and K-Rod isn't, and K-Rod's slider = the nuts. I'm going with K-Rod, although I think Wagner is also a good choice.

[player24]

Randy Johnson

[Shajen]

Smoltz

[CieloAzor]

KYLE FARNSWORTH.

[2planka]

[ QUOTE ]
bob gibson

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[Paluka]

People do know that Bob Gibson basically pitched in the most pitcher friendly era of all-time right?

[Los Feliz Slim]

I'm not his biggest fan (anymore), but I can't believe nobody's mentioned Pedro. If he's warmed up and not tired, and Grady Little isn't his manager, I think Pedro gets anybody he wants.

[Pocket Trips]

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People do know that Bob Gibson basically pitched in the most pitcher friendly era of all-time right?

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Name one other person they actually had to change the rules of the game for????

They lowered the mound in 1969 SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE no one could hit Gibson

[mostsmooth]

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I'm not his biggest fan (anymore), but I can't believe nobody's mentioned Pedro. If he's warmed up and not tired, and Grady Little isn't his manager, I think Pedro gets anybody he wants.

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pedro would be the greatest reliever of all time , if he was a reliever. prime time pedro would be my choice for one out.

[Paluka]

Bob Gibson is obviously an amazing pitcher, but it isn't clear to me he was any better than Pedro Martinez.

[Pocket Trips]

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Vida Blue.

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He needed the money /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[mostsmooth]

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People do know that Bob Gibson basically pitched in the most pitcher friendly era of all-time right?

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Name one other person they actually had to change the rules of the game for????

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wilt chamberlain

[sublime]

felix heradia

[Jack of Arcades]

The real answer is Pedro circa 2000. Maybe Gibson circa 1968 or Randy circa sometime in the last 8 years.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Bob Gibson is obviously an amazing pitcher, but it isn't clear to me he was any better than Pedro Martinez.

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I'm in the same boat.

[diddle]

K-rod consistently makes batters look dumb

[Jack of Arcades]

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K-rod consistently makes batters look dumb

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And you're consistently making yourself look dumb. Maybe we should have you get one out.

[diddle]

g1

[FishNChips]

no love for 1980 - 1981 Goose Gossage?
1988 (regular season) Eckersley was nails

One active non-injured pitcher to get 1 out right now... Randy Johnson.

FishNChips

[andyfox]

Not K Rod is the bases are loaded, because that curve of his sometimes is out of control.

For one out, I'll take Gagne. I know he's on the DL just now, but based on his last two years' pitching.

[Uston]

[ QUOTE ]
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People do know that Bob Gibson basically pitched in the most pitcher friendly era of all-time right?

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Name one other person they actually had to change the rules of the game for????

They lowered the mound in 1969 SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE no one could hit Gibson

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It had nothing to do with the fact that entire league had a sub-three ERA in 1968? Or with the fact that a nobody like Bobby Bolin had a 1.99 ERA?

[tripdad]

today: Smoltz

All time: Satchel Paige...not close. when he toured, he routinely played the first inning without a defense, just him and the catcher. he also routinely guaranteed the first 3 batters would strike out, or everyone would get their money back.

cheers!

[pryor15]

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K-rod consistently makes batters look dumb

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K-Rod (career) 18 SV, 34 Holds, 12 BS leads blown- 19%
Gagne (career) 152 SV, 1 Hold, 6 BS leads blown- 4%
Rivera (career) 339 SV, 29 holds, 50 BS leads blown- 12%

if he can't even consistently keep the lead, then just how reliable is that one out?


edit: i'm an idiot and did the %'s wrong

[Shajen]

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K-rod consistently makes batters look dumb

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K-Rod (career) 18 SV, 34 Holds, 12 BS leads blown- 20%
Gagne (career) 152 SV, 1 Hold, 6 BS leads blown- 1%
Rivera (career) 339 SV, 29 holds, 50 BS leads blown- 10%

if he can't even consistently keep the lead, then just how reliable is that one out?

[/ QUOTE ]

Add Smoltz in there too.

[pryor15]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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K-rod consistently makes batters look dumb

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K-Rod (career) 18 SV, 34 Holds, 12 BS leads blown- 19%
Gagne (career) 152 SV, 1 Hold, 6 BS leads blown- 4%
Rivera (career) 339 SV, 29 holds, 50 BS leads blown- 12%

if he can't even consistently keep the lead, then just how reliable is that one out?

[/ QUOTE ]

Add Smoltz in there too.

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Smotz (2001-2004) 154 SV, 5 holds, 14 BS leads blown- 8%

just his reliever stats, naturally

[Shajen]

[ QUOTE ]
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K-rod consistently makes batters look dumb

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K-Rod (career) 18 SV, 34 Holds, 12 BS leads blown- 19%
Gagne (career) 152 SV, 1 Hold, 6 BS leads blown- 4%
Rivera (career) 339 SV, 29 holds, 50 BS leads blown- 12%

if he can't even consistently keep the lead, then just how reliable is that one out?

[/ QUOTE ]

Add Smoltz in there too.

[/ QUOTE ]

Smotz (2001-2004) 154 SV, 5 holds, 14 BS leads blown- 8%

just his reliever stats, naturally

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thanks for the info. I knew he was a wicked good closer, but what makes it all the more impressive for me is his W/L record.

[pryor15]

per MLB.com, top 5 all-time in Opponent OBA, Min 2000 IP

1. Pedro .270
2. Koufax .275
3. Babe Adams (Pit 1907-26) .277
4. J. Marichal .277
5. G. Alexander .281
6. C. Schilling (!) .282
7. T. Seaver .283
8. C. Hunter .285
9. Slim Sallee (StL, etc. 1908-21) .285
10. C. Hubbell .286

Eck is 18th. Smoltz 20th. Clemens and RJ tied for 27th

Pedro's lead there is just stunning.

Gagne .288, Rivera .274, K-Rod .256...gagne's #'s are inflated by his failed time as a starter. 3 year line as a closer: .235, .199 (!!), .248

[34TheTruth34]

Does anyone else think it's odd that the highest opponent OBA ever is only .270? I would have thought it was a lot lower...

[pryor15]

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Does anyone else think it's odd that the highest opponent OBA ever is only .270? I would have thought it was a lot lower...

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you do know OBA is opponent's on-base average, right? it's supposed to be low

[Philuva]

Well, I think you would have to start here:

Best pitchers to get one out (http://www.superiorpics.com/josie_maran/pictures1.html)

[jesusarenque]

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