PP $50NL hand for review

[vetman81]

AT is a hand I am uncomfortable with PF. I dont like raising with it because I am too often dominated when I get a caller, but I have a hard time folding it as well. I am beginning to think I should probably just fold it PF in EP. That being said, how is the flop action? Is it fairly standard? I am new to NL so I am still feeling my way out as far as betting amounts goes. Thanks for any input.



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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">BB ($31.75)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($100.8)</font>
UTG+1 ($8.75)
MP1 ($77.6)
MP2 ($69.85)
MP3 ($30.85)
CO ($60.85)
Button ($21.15)
SB ($14.2)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $29.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $20.75.

Turn: ($63.75) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($63.75) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $63.75

[zeero3]

In NL I like to win/get involved w/ big pots where I have a big hand. AT is a hand that rarely gets paid off big in NL. Tenhigh flop is beaten by JJ and up. Ace-high flop is a CRAPPY kicker unless you 2pair it on flop. Broadway straight is all I can say is really strong, but seeing KQJ frightens people away anyway. I almost ALWAYS fold AT from early position and basically only LIMP w/ it in late position--if it's suited I'd be more inclined to limp from the middle. This hand SUCKS as does AJ, AQ needs a book written about it. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I play that hand very slowly unless I have a read on my opponent though, aggression is always good once in a while though.....

[Bukem_]

When you see ato utg you should muck at the same speed you would muck j2o.

Why are you calling his flop all-in?

You semi-bluffed, which is fine. But when he pushed it is an easy math problem and you fold.

[vetman81]

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Why are you calling his flop all-in?

You semi-bluffed, which is fine. But when he pushed it is an easy math problem and you fold.

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Youre right, it was an easy math problem. There was $44 in the pot and it cost me $20.75 more, slightly more than 2-1 on my money on a slightly less than 2-1 shot. I put him on either AA, KK, or QQ. If he has AA or QQ, then I have 9 full outs for the flush. If he has KK, then I have at least 8 for the flush plus another 3 for aces. It's close but the odds are still in my favor to call this all in.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on my math. Thanks for the replies.

[Bukem_]

It's not a 2-1 shot.

[steaknshake925]

this is easy, nondebatable fold preflop.

[vetman81]

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It's not a 2-1 shot

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Care to elaborate?

[Siawyn]

Fold preflop. ATo is trash in early position.

This is an excellant example of compounding errors. You've managed to get it to where you're forced to get your whole stack in on the flop, and made it slightly correct to do so with the last call. I could reraise 3 times before the flop with 72o to try to bluff someone out with the aces, but by the time they go all-in with the last one and I'm getting 10-1 on my money to call... it's now correct to do so, but that is only because of all the mistakes before.

[Siawyn]

Oh, and if he has QQ, then you have 9 outs for the flush but he can get a full house either on the turn or the river which makes it moot.

[vetman81]

Since I haven't got a response from Bukem, can anyone else explain to me why this isnt a little less than a 2-1 shot? I have 9 to 11 outs based on the range of hands I put him on. Isnt 9 outs with 2 to come a little less than 2-1, or am I mistaken? Thanks.

[OatmealJoe]

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Since I haven't got a response from Bukem, can anyone else explain to me why this isnt a little less than a 2-1 shot? I have 9 to 11 outs based on the range of hands I put him on. Isnt 9 outs with 2 to come a little less than 2-1, or am I mistaken? Thanks.

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You are correct. At the point he moves all in, if you assume that a flush card will win the hand for you, you have the odds to call.

[Bukem_]

I was thinking of something else, it is close to 2 to 1, depending on how many outs above 9 you give yourself.

It still leaves you very marginal EV, and you obviously have 0 bluff equity. If your bankroll is big enough that you don't mind taking this bet with a very fine line of profitability then go ahead.

You don't want to keep getting into these situations where you are only getting acceptable odds because you juiced the pot though.

[xcrack999]

You're getting a little more than 2:1 pot odds for a 1.86:1 draw, so you do have the odds to call if you're sure he hasn't made a flush already. I don't think he has a flush considering that you have the ace of spades. It looks like he has AA, KK, or QQ, and only QQ has re-draws on you, so I would call.