KQs middle position levels 1 and 2

[microbet]

Assume 2 limpers come in before you. If more or less limpers make a big difference to you, comment about it. No raise before and it doesn't seem any more likely than an average table to have a raise afterward. If buy-in makes a big difference to you, comment.

[Voltron87]

I limp.

[raptor517]

i fold. its one of those trap hands. trap hands = no good in sngs. you can never have the nut flush, you can never have TPTK. so it sucks. holla

[The Yugoslavian]

I think it's certainly profitable limping here for buyins 11-33. I'm not as sure about 55+.

Yugoslav

[microbet]

I usually limp in level 1, often in level 2. Depends a bit on whether I still have a full stack or a bigger stack or if I expect a later position to raise.

On the first hand I will limp.

[Voltron87]

i'm not all about playing a huge pot with it, and i can generally manage the pot pretty well and not go broke with it.

[valenzuela]

KQs its what I call a VODKA hand.

[microbet]

I don't know, but I would think it would be better to play in the 55+. More starting chips, and if it is profitable you can less afford to pass it up as the future use of those chips isn't as juicy.

[AA suited]

kqs=> win little, lose alot especially when you have flush

voltron- what does poker tracker say about your stats with kqs at lvl1 and lvl2?

[Voltron87]

There are people who will go all in with KQ on a K93 board with two of a suit at the 55s, I was in the BB with AK, checked, that flop came up, bet the potish, he raised, I went all in, he shows KQ. If you play it like that it's a trap.

[Voltron87]

I don't use pokertracker.

-I'm gangster.

[Apathy]

I fold, I gave a semi-explanation is the other thread about this.

[Voltron87]

im peacing. if you think this is loose, at around 430am i'll be back arguing about how k10s is a good opening hand since it can make the nut straight and flush if the ace is on board. gatorade + vodka= me really drunk.

[Tilt]

I would limp it in level 1 only if the players both behind me and the limpers in front of me are reasonably aggressive players. If they can be counted on to raise AQ, AK, even KQ, then its pretty easy to muck it preflop if they come over the top. And at level 1 where I play thats only 1% of your stack that you limp and then toss.

[pooh74]

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I would limp it in level 1 only if the players both behind me and the limpers in front of me are reasonably aggressive players. If they can be counted on to raise AQ, AK, even KQ, then its pretty easy to muck it preflop if they come over the top. And at level 1 where I play thats only 1% of your stack that you limp and then toss.

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[microbet]

Who isn't aggressive enough to raise in LP with AK or AQ? I mean a lot of 2+2'er won't with AQ, but I think most players will. Aggressive players will raise with K9 and make you throw your limp away.

[eastbay]

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Who isn't aggressive enough to raise in LP with AK or AQ? I mean a lot of 2+2'er won't with AQ, but I think most players will. Aggressive players will raise with K9 and make you throw your limp away.

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I see a lot of AK limping in L1 of the $109s.

eastbay

[dfscott]

Not that it means anything, but I thought it was serendipedous that I was reading this thread when I got dealt this:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t1725)
UTG+1 (t860)
MP1 (t795)
Hero (t925)
MP3 (t895)
CO (t70)
Button (t705)
SB (t1425)
BB (t600)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, MP3 calls t75, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t195) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t195) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, MP3 folds.

River: (t295) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t295

(The hand history is messed up, but there was one guy all-in pre-flop with QJ.)

[microbet]

Yeah. I don't think that happens very often at the lower levels. A dangerous limp following your limp in lower buyins would more likely be a slow play of AA-QQ in which case that is more likely to be done by an aggressive player.

I'd really like to see someone with a big pokertracker DB come forward on this one.

[microbet]

Yikes. I didn't include and option for raising and then calling an all-in reraise.

[dfscott]

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Yikes. I didn't include and option for raising and then calling an all-in reraise.

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He was all-in for t70, so I wouldn't really call it a significant all-in /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[AA suited]

n/m

[microbet]

Oh yeah, I see that guy. I missed plenty more evidence that it wasn't a big all-in. I should have read more carefully. I wouldn't have thought you would be going crazy with KQs here.

[microbet]

For anyone who never limps because it is a trap hand, do you complete the small blind? If so, why?