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BigSkiRace
04-23-2005, 02:46 PM
I was watching the double deck 100 min bet 1000 max beat yea I know the spread is retarted.....but on another note I saw something really wrong happen, and If I was playing I would of left...Dealer deals 2 hands 3 people at the table of the cards are like 7 and below, maybe like 2 face cards.....after that....new dealer comes in shuffle up, and thats that...Were the dealers going on break...or was this the casino pulling some bs and knowning the deack was gonna get hot making a excuse for wanting to reshuffle the deck?

Photoc
04-23-2005, 11:53 PM
99% of casinos break a deck when a dealer comes in for break. Only one place ever have I seen this not happen and the reason for it was the high stakes player requested that the same deck be used and not reshuffled. By the way, that player has a HIGH 6 figure credit line. 500-5000 players can get away with that.

It has nothing to do with the amount of cards or what has been dealt. Dealers are usually not allowed to pass a deck from one hand to the next one. Some reasons include possible dropping of the cards and exposed/flashed cards.

Oh yeah, I used to be a bj/roulette/bacc dealer.

PairTheBoard
04-24-2005, 05:17 PM
Were you instructed to engage in a certain amount of preferential shuffling? As a professional dealer I don't think you have to count cards to have a pretty good feel for when the deck has become Tens Rich. When I played around 15 years ago I thought I saw quite a bit of preferrential shuffling in the single and double deck games around at that time.

PairTheBoard

bogey
04-24-2005, 05:23 PM
most dealers are borderline unconcscious when dealing from doing it so often, almost none would ever bother keeping a count and/or doing any preferential shuffling and the casino does not instruct them to do that

Photoc
04-24-2005, 11:20 PM
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Were you instructed to engage in a certain amount of preferential shuffling? As a professional dealer I don't think you have to count cards to have a pretty good feel for when the deck has become Tens Rich. When I played around 15 years ago I thought I saw quite a bit of preferrential shuffling in the single and double deck games around at that time.

PairTheBoard

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It wasn't worth my time, effort, or the 4.00/hr to keep track of anything except what the player or I had in front of me in cards. If the boss wants to, let them do it themselves.

CORed
04-25-2005, 12:24 AM
In pitch games it's pretty standard to shuffle after every dealer change. It sucks when the deck is really juicy, but it probably wasn't a preferential shuffle.

bernie
04-25-2005, 11:15 PM
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or was this the casino pulling some bs and knowning the deack was gonna get hot making a excuse for wanting to reshuffle the deck?



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did they add cards or take any away? The makeup of the deck (plus or minus-wise) stays the same if they reshuffle it.

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Thythe
04-26-2005, 12:57 PM
I think when he says reshuffle he means that all the used cards go back in the deck too.

player24
04-26-2005, 01:18 PM
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most dealers are borderline unconcscious when dealing from doing it so often, almost none would ever bother keeping a count and/or doing any preferential shuffling and the casino does not instruct them to do that

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The dealer does not need to maintain a count in order to thwart a card counter - he simply needs to reshuffle whenever the player increases his bet by a sizeable amount. The increased bet is the signal to the casino to reshuffle.

The casino can reshuffle at any point (between hands). Years ago, this was the way the casinos fought card counters - they just reshuffled whenever a suspected counter increased his bet.

Then, they realized that many of the players were leaving the table when they constantly reshuffled (because it is time consuming and annoying for the players) and that they were wasting the dealers time and getting fewer bets from disadvantaged players.

That is the point, I believe, when they began to lower their penetration and increase their electronic surveillance and keeping better records regarding "advantaged" players- and that is where we stand today. Multiple decks, low penetration, tight surveillance and a database of card counters.