Dumb Question..be gentle!

[dawade]

I'm a newb to cash no-limit...when two players announce all-in say preflop or on the flop, why aren't their cards turned over, even once everyone else folds?

[Logik]

They should be turned over-- where have you seen it not?

[-Skeme-]

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They should be turned over-- where have you seen it not?

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No, they aren't. I believe it's the aggressor or the last person who closed the action who has to show first after the river.

Edit:

Who shows first?

The determination of which players’ cards will and must be shown first will lie with the player who had initiated the action or with the person who had initiated the last bet, raise or re-raise. This simply means that whoever had the last action on the river must show his/her cards first.

Suppose a Player wins by default?

A player who has a winning hand does not have to show his/her cards if his/her bet was not called.

Does a Player have to show their Cards if they call a bet on the River?

A player is not required to show their cards if, and only if, they are not the player who had the last action. If a player calls a bet and sees that he/she cannot win, he/she may fold

[rikz]

Are you thinking of tournament play? In a cash game, once two players are all in before all the cards are out, I've always seen the cards stay face down (unless a player voluntarily turns them up before the last card is delt). After all the cards are out, I've seen the bettor show and the caller either show a better hand or fold without showing. In tournaments, they always show both hands as soon as the remaining players in a hand are all in. I really don't know the specific rules, though. This is just what I've seen playing live.

[benfranklin]

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They should be turned over-- where have you seen it not?

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They are not turned over at the Party/Skins NL cash games.

[the machine]

only if your bet is called do you have to show your hand, anytime you call a bet and dont have the winning hand you dont have to show your cards. you dont have to show your cards on an all in until the river and again the only person required to turn over is the person who initially moved all in

[Trainwreck]

Some card rooms insist on showing once AI'd and no more action possible, but typically it's whenever the player wants to show.

Mostly the dealer dictates this though...

>TW<

[just2ska]

only have to flip em in tourney play.

[DavidC]

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I'm a newb to cash no-limit...when two players announce all-in say preflop or on the flop, why aren't their cards turned over, even once everyone else folds?

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Because they're dorks.

Normally you turn your cards over as soon as it's heads up and the betting has stopped.

In higher limit games this is so that people can decide if they want to roll it twice or take insurance, etc.

Generally the rule is that the person that bet last shows their hand first, so part of this is to protect information about their playing style from their opponents.

However, any player can at any time ask to see any hand that called (as long as they were dealt cards in the hand).

If I'm all in against a fish with a good hand, and he's the one that put the chips in first, if he's reluctant to turn his cards, I put my hand out first and it's no big deal. I just don't want to embarass them.

Against a tougher player, I want to see what he's doing, and I won't turn until he does (if he bet first).

I've had people get really pissed off at me for not turning my hand until they did, even after they bet first. This same person I've witnessed show one card ata time and muck the other when he's beat, or muck last after betting first. Not too happy about it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

--Dave.

Edit: oh, one more thing: house rules are THE rules.

Re-Edit: WPT has rotted my brain! /images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm wrong on this one, with the exception of "aggressor shows first".

[dawade]

So if I'm at a casino and I show KK and my opponent mucks he has to show if I ask him to?

[mason55]

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So if I'm at a casino and I show KK and my opponent mucks he has to show if I ask him to?

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Generally yes. The rule is in place to detect collusion though. It's very bad form to ask to see the loser's cards if you're just curious or trying to get information. It's only supposed to be used if you suspect collusion or cheating of some sort. And people WILL get pissed at you if you use the rule againsst them more than once, especially because any time you use it will be right after they just lost a hand so they'll be in an extra bad mood.

[DavidC]

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So if I'm at a casino and I show KK and my opponent mucks he has to show if I ask him to?

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House rules apply, but if you ask, generally yes.

This is done to prevent collusion, not to get reads on people.

Two house rules generally apply to this also:

1) You do it too much and you're asked to stop/leave (if the other player is smart enough to call over a floorman)

2) if you ask to see a hand, and it's turned over and is better than yours, then they win the pot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif