Play variation or poo?

[Ryno]

MP in this hand is 51/19/4.25

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>.

[DrGutshot]

this is the type of player to calldown, not to bluff or raise for "free" showdowns because you won't get them

-DrG

[Brom]

I don't know what this player thinks of you (if he thinks at all). If I were him however, I'd find it hard to believe that you had a Queen in your hand. Most players would 3-bet the flop with top pair in a pot like that.

If this player is bluffing, you would like for him to keep bluffing. Raising him won't help that situation, and a call down would better facilitate it. He is also quite aggressive and liable to 3-bet you with a lot of hands, and then what do you do? You pretty much have to fold.

[emonrad87]

Nah, if he 3-bets you you call with the odds to your nut flush draw. I'm assuming you missed that.

BTW, i agree with the other posters, though i orignally voted number 2.

[rory]

These guys never fold. I just call them down. Value bet them more and value-raise them more.. semi-bluffing and bluffing never works. They are usually immune to it.

Guys who are 51% VPIP with an AF of over 4 came to try to bully everyone out of pots. That's why they are online playing. No way are they going to fold anything here. You're just going to have to show them a hand.

[Ryno]

First, let me say that I would love to know who the 2 people are who voted for "SOP". Cool.

But ok, this is a bully, and I am a tight player (around 20% VPIP at this table when the hand came up). I 3-bet preflop...he is probably used to that from people like me. "Tighty has AK", he says. Flop is Q high, he checkraises, I just call. Turn is a Q, making a flush, and I raise. What could he put me on? Perhaps what I have, the bare Ace of clubs, but aren't aggros used to seeing this lame "just call the raise, then raise the turn" play used against them by weakies? He could totally fold a PP &lt;QQ, and as evidence I submit his AF. He rarely calls. The best part about being a bully is you can fold safely when you get raised on the turn by someone like me.

Am I sniffing glue here? Did you vote Donkey Turd?

[helpmeout]

WTSD = ?

The rest of the stats mean little here.

[kiddo]

He will almost never fold a better hand then yours A high. Thats why u shouldnt raise a draw against a maniac. Call him down, u got showdownvalue.

[imitation]

[ QUOTE ]
First, let me say that I would love to know who the 2 people are who voted for "SOP". Cool.

But ok, this is a bully, and I am a tight player (around 20% VPIP at this table when the hand came up). I 3-bet preflop...he is probably used to that from people like me. "Tighty has AK", he says. Flop is Q high, he checkraises, I just call. Turn is a Q, making a flush, and I raise. What could he put me on? Perhaps what I have, the bare Ace of clubs, but aren't aggros used to seeing this lame "just call the raise, then raise the turn" play used against them by weakies? He could totally fold a PP &lt;QQ, and as evidence I submit his AF. He rarely calls. The best part about being a bully is you can fold safely when you get raised on the turn by someone like me.

Am I sniffing glue here? Did you vote Donkey Turd?

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You're playing 5/10, he's looking at porn, watching TV, checking his email, reinventing the wheel, launching space missions, etc, etc. He's not paying attention he's just clicking the bet button.

What everyone else said is correct ok.

[rory]

In person, it would be different. Online, I do not think your opponents pay attention enough to make it worth it. You need more than those three numbers, because the type of guys you make this play against are thinking loose aggressive guys, but they are more rare then the guys who are just trying to gamble it up. Most of them, in my experience, are just pressing the raise and bet button a lot based on their hand or how they feel. They don't even really consider what you have. These guys will cap trips on the river with you when the flush gets there. I think you will find that almost all of the time the villian will just call you down with whatever piece of the board he has or reraise you or whatever.

The trouble with the Party poker shorthanded is that you do not have to be a good player to beat them. You just have to not play terribly. Making these sort of semi-bluffs should be something you save for playing against good players who are capable of folding, which doesn't really describe most people at the Party 5/10.

[Ryno]

"The trouble with the Party poker shorthanded is that you do not have to be a good player to beat them. You just have to not play terribly."

What is it you kids say? Pwned? I feel pwned right now - that is just too simple and right to respond with anything but "thanks".

[arkady]

poo

[usmfan]

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The trouble with the Party poker shorthanded is that you do not have to be a good player to beat them. You just have to not play terribly. Making these sort of semi-bluffs should be something you save for playing against good players who are capable of folding, which doesn't really describe most people at the Party 5/10.

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Wow. I couldn't agree more. I had a terrible March that was tied alot to trying to make what I thought were advanced semi-bluffs against loose calling stations. If you want to showdown A high then do it but don't expect them to fold their low pair against an obviously heavy draw board, where you and I would expect to be beaten.

I was so focused on value betting that I was ignoring their easily discernible donkey tails and ears.