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mmbt0ne

04-21-2005, 10:16 PM

I've taken a couple days off because of school and such. Should I just check-fold the turn instead of bet/folding? Is anyone daring enough to call down somehow?

Unknown. First orbit, no stats

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

popeye18

04-21-2005, 10:18 PM

Id play it the same way.

the_rookie

04-21-2005, 10:19 PM

You played this fine.

shadow29

04-21-2005, 10:24 PM

Like a champion.

mmbt0ne

04-21-2005, 10:30 PM

Alright, I guess this was as easy as it felt when I was playing it. I just started thinking that there's nothing he's raising preflop, and betting that flop with that I beat when the A falls. Checking obviously would've been too vaginal though.

Shillx

04-21-2005, 10:36 PM

This hand is pretty interesting. If MP2 is a 2+2er, you should call down or even reraise. A good player in this spot should not raise the turn if he has an ace and it is easy to see why. He just gives the other player a chance to throw away a hand like 99 or 87. So if you are in this spot as MP2 and make a pair of aces with AK or AQ, you should call the turn and then raise the river. You give him that extra opportunity to put another bet into the pot drawing to just two outs. So if you had a read that someone was a good player, and you called down to see that they had an ace, you should change your read.

Brad

Duerig

04-21-2005, 10:37 PM

BOOYAKASHA

toss

04-21-2005, 11:13 PM

I don't like checking the turn after you raised the flop. Sure theres a better chance villain has an Ace the way he played, but checking would be giving up too easily IMO. With villain raising you can feel relatively good about folding here. I'm not calling down without a read.

TripleH68

04-21-2005, 11:27 PM

If MP2 is a smart player he could easily represent AK or AQ with a raise on the turn. Villain can't put you on a duece even calling from the BB, unless you hold specifically A2s. Villain has you on an 8 or a pp...and has you here if he knows you are one to bet/fold on the same street. I think it can be dangerous to bet/fold too often and this is covered by Sklansky in TOP I believe.

This is my first time using this term >>> many donks will raise you on this turn with an ace because they don't think. They just like to raise.

I like Shillx's thinking of a 3-bet as it could fold out TT-KK against a player capable of wanting to save 2BBs...who also would not expect you to 3-bet without an ace or deuce.

Thoughts?

mmbt0ne

04-21-2005, 11:31 PM

Without a read, I would rather burn dollar bills than 3 bet this turn.

Shillx

04-21-2005, 11:33 PM

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Without a read, I would rather burn dollar bills than 3 bet this turn.

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I agree. A bad player will raise AK on this turn all day long.

TripleH68

04-22-2005, 12:07 AM

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Without a read, I would rather burn dollar bills than 3 bet this turn.

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I agree. A bad player will raise AK on this turn all day long.

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Well put!

PokerBob

04-22-2005, 12:15 AM

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I've taken a couple days off because of school and such. Should I just check-fold the turn instead of bet/folding? Is anyone daring enough to call down somehow?

Unknown. First orbit, no stats

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

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I think this fold is fine.

SCfuji

04-22-2005, 12:22 AM

vs an unknown i like the way you played this hand. i might be leaning towards a preflop 3-bet but thats because im a tard.

Redd

04-22-2005, 12:22 AM

Grunching.

I like the whole thing, dudemeister.

mmbt0ne

04-22-2005, 12:32 AM

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i might be leaning towards a preflop 3-bet

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I considered it for a second. In a 6max game it's a 3bet, no doubt.

SCfuji

04-22-2005, 12:35 AM

oh 9max. i cant read. nor do i pay attention.

mmbt0ne

04-22-2005, 12:40 AM

Yeah, I like the 9max tables. Don't ask me why, but they're fun. Swingy, but fun.

I won 2 25BB pots in just over 400 hands, and ended down $3.12

SCfuji

04-22-2005, 12:44 AM

are the 9 max really that different from 10 max? seems like it would not be that big of a difference.

mmbt0ne

04-22-2005, 12:47 AM

Real Answer: Probably not by much anymore. When they first went up, there were a TON of fish though. Table average VP$IPs in the 50s were easy to find.

Psychological Answer: I didn't do so well in my first 12k hands at 1/2, so whil this is the same limit, it feels like a different game. That makes me feel better.

Buckmulligan

04-22-2005, 12:48 AM

I think this looks really good. I like the flop check raise, because I think if you bet out you will still get raised and will probably have to 3 bet back to him. the check raise shows a lot of strength here.

SCfuji

04-22-2005, 12:58 AM

im just built for 6 max i guess. its like the saying "fat girls need loving too". well, so does 35s