$55 - Level 1 - AK

[Scuba Chuck]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t1205)
MP2 (t1130)
Hero (t970)
CO (t2045)
Button (t975)
SB (t910)
BB (t690)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1075)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t70, BB calls t65, UTG folds.

Flop: (t255) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t275</font>, SB calls t275, BB calls t275.

Turn: (t1080) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ......</font>


<font color="blue"> I'm done with this hand here right? This board is awfully coordinated. Straight, two pair, flush... Check-fold here on out? The only other move I see is allin. Thoughts? </font>

[shejk]

Well, checking behind, you have 4 nut outs and any non-diamond brick makes it likely that you have the best hand imo.

As a sidenote, when I raise preflop with AK on lvl 1 I usually make it 95+, to make sure to give pockets incorrect odds to call me for set value. I'm not in any way sure that my thinking is correct, and it is quite likely that I've disregarded something. What do you take into consideration when making this raise?

[beeyjay]

I think you're beaten if somebody bets out on the river. Unless its 100 or less I'd fold.

[bones]

I probably check behind on turn and make a decision on the inevitable river bet.

[beeyjay]

I like his raise here. I would normally just call but around the CO (like hero here) I usually start to look to raise so the blinds can't see a free flop and hit some crazy 2 pair I can't even see coming. I think 80 is high enough that its going to scare away the same pairs as 95 would. I would probably not even go as high as 80 somewhere around 60 but thats just me.

[shejk]

There's a limper as well.

[beeyjay]

my fault. i like the 80 then

[FishBurger]

I'd put one dude on a jack and the other on a flush draw and push the turn. I think any two-pair hand or better would have bet big on the turn to keep the obvious draws that are out there from hitting.

[pooh74]

christ scuba...this reminds me of your CR that was too big...2 callers again...cute little fishies they are.

Flop bet too big...why? You said yourself its a coordinated board so why set yourself up for disaster. Those bets say "hey, i got a piece, but im easily beaten here so come and get me"...I really think 3/4 pot is good here...

as for the answer....great post, great hand...i hate this situation and I, personally, would check and hope to see free, cheap SD...prolly not gonna happen. This is so borderline, I could see myself pushing too...on a bad day.

[valenzuela]

I would be agressive on the turn, ure more likely ahead.

[adanthar]

Nope. It's a different hand, because it's a raised pot and the third guy coldcalled one big bet/call, as opposed to two smaller bets. Of course, that could just mean he has a draw.

I dunno. Sometimes I push, more often I check. The river card matters a lot but one thing I don't do is overbet the flop.

[minwoo]

Scuba,
Do you care to share the nick you use on the $55s?

[pokerlaw]

I check this flop...

I find it shady that BB keeps calling, and then checks on the turn with a stack that is less than the pot by a good amount. what did he have?

[pooh74]

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Nope. It's a different hand, because it's a raised pot and the third guy coldcalled one big bet/call, as opposed to two smaller bets. Of course, that could just mean he has a draw.

I dunno. Sometimes I push, more often I check. The river card matters a lot but one thing I don't do is overbet the flop.

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Yeah, of course its a different situation...But I feel the common theme (one I noticed, maybe I'm wrong) is that in both situations he put TOO much in the pot for what he was trying to achieve.

[Phil Van Sexton]

Too big of a bet on the flop. If you had bet smaller, you could've bet the turn too rather than checking and giving them a free river card.

You are hoping they are on a draw or have a crappy king. In either case, you want to be able to bet the turn.

In your hand, I check the turn and call a small bet on the river.

[lastchance]

Make it t200, almost never bet more than pot-size.

I like check turn.

[Scuba Chuck]

How much would you have bet on the flop? t150?

[Phil Van Sexton]

I'd bet 150-200 on the flop. Probably 175.

[The Yugoslavian]

Stop always pot betting on the flop!!!

You end up creating big pots and checking the turn or river and getting played back at having no idea where you stand...

2/3 the pot is almost always as good as the full pot.

1/2 the pot or even less sometimes is a good idea too.

Why do you keep betting or even overbetting the pot?!?!

Yugoslav

[Scuba Chuck]

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Why do you keep betting or even overbetting the pot?!?!


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Why do you think?

[The Yugoslavian]

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Why do you keep betting or even overbetting the pot?!?!


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Why do you think?

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Because you like to throw your chips away?

You want to win the pots right there?

Perhaps you feel you're 'pricing' draws??

Or you could just be a sucker for that 'bet pot' button?!?

Yugoslav

[Scuba Chuck]

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you could just be a sucker

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I'm surprised you didn't just stop here... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif