I ended the limpfest. What now?

[yoadrians]

No real read on the BB. Button is has played like a total LAG and picked up a few nice pots.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed)

MP2 (t1895)
CO (t1780)
Button (t3080)
Hero (t1355)
BB (t1200)
UTG (t2175)
UTG+1 (t1000)
MP1 (t1015)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qh, Qd
UTG+1 calls t50, , MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, Button calls t50, Hero raises to t500, BB raises to t1200, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Button raises to t3080 ...

Hero ?????

[citanul]

hrm, if you put them on exactly AA-QQ, you have 13% equity, 16% if they can't have QQ. i think you call.

on another note, i think i make my raise less here preflop.

citanul

edit: what buyin is this?

[Voltron87]

You raised 40% of your stack with QQ and want to fold it against one player?

[citanul]

two players.

[Patriarch]

Two players. That's why it's scary. Raised to 1200 and then an all-in from the Button for 3000.

[GtrHtr]

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Hero ?????

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Folds. I also really don't like the PF raise to 500. I would've been more like 2x-3x BB 100-150. More than likely, your PF bet of 500 has caused the all in action from the other players. Look for AA and AK in their hands with AA winning.

[pooh74]

Look for AA and AK in their hands with AA winning.

naw, i think AK will win in this example. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Alexthegreat]

Holy, weakies...Button is a LAG, so he probably has AK or worse, and the other player could easily have 99-JJ just as often as he has AA/KK, which is still less than the times he'll have AK/AQ...

I say it's an easy call, especially since you've put in 40 percent of your stack already, which I don't have a problem with, unless you fold here

[wuwei]

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Folds. I also really don't like the PF raise to 500. I would've been more like 2x-3x BB 100-150.

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I agree that raising to 500 is excessive, but raising 2 or 3x the BB is too small considering the size of the pot with all the limpers. I would have made it 300 to go.

Considering the size of the pot and your read on the button as a total LAG, you have to call this.

[GtrHtr]

naw, i think AK will win in this example.


Only if I am the player holding AA

[hummusx]

Call.

I'd guess your move looked a lot like a steal - why else would you raise so much? 100-150 is way too low, but 250-300 would probably be fine. People with just limping hands are going to limp, and people that want to reraise are going to reraise. Then you've actually got a choice. You've got so much money in there, and the odds are gigantic, you've got to call.

Looks like there's about 3155 and you need to put in 855 to call. So 3.7:1.

[adanthar]

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Hero ?????

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Hero has the button smoked 98% of the time and is getting 3.5:1 to call the BB. This shouldn't even be a post.

[yoadrians]

Thanks for all the comments. I reluctantly called. The BB turned over AK, and the crazy Button turned over 77. Ugh. Button won the whole thing when he turned a 7 (BB got his A on the flop, though), and I'm done ... only to fire up another SNG. Which is fine. Cards happen. Life goes on.

The reason I posted this hand is because I was wondering about the size of my raise (which apparently was too big, and I will go more in the $300 to $350 next time). My feeling at the time was that I wasn't going to let 97 people see a flop with QQ in my hand, but looks like my action started off craziness galore.

Thanks for all of your advice. I hope you all have a nice day.

[yoadrians]

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hrm, if you put them on exactly AA-QQ, you have 13% equity, 16% if they can't have QQ. i think you call.

on another note, i think i make my raise less here preflop.

citanul

edit: what buyin is this?

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Oh, and it was an $11.

[Freudian]

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Two players. That's why it's scary. Raised to 1200 and then an all-in from the Button for 3000.

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I don't really see two players as a huge obstacle here. Often you will see both with Ax, most likely one of them has AK. But all things considered (that you most likely will lose if an A or a K comes) I still like the risk/reward ratio here. There is always another SnG starting if things don't work out here.

[Voltron87]

I guess if I want to be a real pooh bah I'll need to starting reading all the words in the posts, not just 7 or 8.

Button pulls the rarely seen "limp on the button then reraise the blinds who are pot committed all in". I honestly do not know what to make of this situation. QQ is ahead of alot of things here (tt-jj, and ak since we are 40% in), but behind AA-KK. Obviously if it is just one player it is easy but if it is too its a bit of a toughie. I still think it's a call since you have so much of your stack in, and have so much beat here. Folding for me is a lot easier if I haven't raised 500. What a mess, I'm not too sure.

[kyro]

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Hero ?????

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Folds. I also really don't like the PF raise to 500. I would've been more like 2x-3x BB 100-150. More than likely, your PF bet of 500 has caused the all in action from the other players. Look for AA and AK in their hands with AA winning.

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Raising to 100-150 is bad. The raise might be a bit overkill, but I like it, especially since you're in the SB and terrible position. And you have to call this given the description of button and how much is in the pot. Folding is very bad.

[Blarg]

It seems to me that raise would still be too high. As some others were telling me this week when I asked a similar question, you're chasing out a lot of future money to be made if you raise too big. As you've seen, you also encourage all-ins.

Which I suppose might be better at the 5's than at the 10's, etc.

But you've decimated your stack by such a big raise. Once you commit that much to the pot, you have to be prepared to go all-in. You're too weak afterwards on the one hand, and your chances of making a killing will compensate you for being beat on the other.

If you don't want to bet everything on making a killing when you win but very often losing, or don't want to be crippling your stack, don't make those big preflop raises. Especially with a hand that is often beaten.