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minwoo
04-20-2005, 12:01 AM
Party $55 SNG
Blinds are 100/200 and going up to 150/300 next hand.
I'm (motchisan) in the BB.

Table 12953 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: motchisan (1180)
Seat 7: hbacq (6698)
Seat 9: hanjoo80 (2122)
hanjoo80 posts small blind (100)
motchisan posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to motchisan [ 7d, Jd ]
hbacq raises (6698) to 6698
hbacq is all-In.
hanjoo80 folds.

I'm thinking this is the right call. Please confirm or correct me.

If you fold, explain. J7s too nasty?

If I folded this I would be left with t830 after posting the SB. I don't think I have much fold equity with t830 at 150/300.

Who isn't playing for 1st when already ITM /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

citanul
04-20-2005, 12:11 AM
likely having the best hand in a situation where you're trying to accumulate all the chips almost always drives me to call.

citanul

Ogre
04-20-2005, 12:29 AM
Call

microbet
04-20-2005, 12:35 AM
At a $55 do you put him on any two here? And I don't mean would you do it with any two, I mean would the average player do it with any two?

minwoo
04-20-2005, 12:35 AM
What is the shi**iest hand you could call with here?
How about low connectors (45,56,67,78,89,etc) or hands like K5, Q4, J3, etc.

Fold trash hands or try to get lucky here?
Trash hands - 72,83,92,T2,42 etc.

microbet
04-20-2005, 12:46 AM
If you put him on any two, J7s is pretty much the worst hand that has $EV call > $EV fold ICM wise. I know there are other considerations since the blinds are advancing, but still this is if you put him on ANY TWO here. Also, I think you will have some FE on the BB next hand if the big stack lets you use it.

lastchance
04-20-2005, 12:57 AM
Fold.

citanul
04-20-2005, 01:00 AM
ogre and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

citanul

johnnybeef
04-20-2005, 01:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
ogre and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

citanul

[/ QUOTE ]

huh? they said diff. things /images/graemlins/confused.gif

citanul
04-20-2005, 01:07 AM
both with no explanation at all, hence -> no value for the OP.

lastchance
04-20-2005, 01:49 AM
Why would you call J7s to a guy who hasn't been pushing any 2, especially not HU? When you call, you need to have a +50% chance of winning against a range of hands, more in a SNG because of the prize structure. There is no way J7s is a decent call here, though I'd probably push from SB.

citanul
04-20-2005, 01:51 AM
haha, first off, the first time i read this post, i thought hero had 77, not J7. but, nothing else about your post makes any sense at all, particularly the "when you call you need to be ahead..." and "particularly in the money..."

citanul

microbet
04-20-2005, 01:56 AM
Funny, I thought it said 77 when I first read it too and thought 'duh how could you not call with 77 here?'

But for J7s you pretty much do have to put him on absolutely any two.

minwoo
04-20-2005, 02:27 AM
77 - easy call /images/graemlins/cool.gif
J7s - still not too sure, half of you seem to agree that its a call, and half say its a fold

Apathy
04-20-2005, 03:02 AM
I wasn't going to post because it looks like a pretty clear fold to me. I mean you have J7s and the blinds are only 100/200, and you have more the 1k before posting. I'm surprised people said call.

curtains
04-20-2005, 03:04 AM
I sure as hell wouldnt call.

apd138
04-20-2005, 03:50 AM
[ QUOTE ]

I sure as hell wouldnt call.

[/ QUOTE ] I thought I was in crazyworld for the first page i read.

john_
04-20-2005, 05:11 AM
Fold...push next hand unless you have trash...

Phil Van Sexton
04-20-2005, 09:34 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Fold...push next hand even if you have trash...

[/ QUOTE ]

Corrected your post.

microbet
04-20-2005, 11:29 AM
The only person who said call was Ogre. Citanul read the J7 as 77 when he said call. He didn't retract the call, but I wouldn't put him down as a call unless he says it again.

I'm not a call. I only said it is a marginal call if you put him on absolutely any two.

Voltron87
04-20-2005, 11:58 AM
Easy fold. Blinds are relatively low and j7s is a terrible hand against even any two.