A8o, several decisions

[einbert]

Everyone at this table is loose, SB is fairly aggressive, and BB is fairly passive.

PartyPoker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (14 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 14 BB

[CallMeIshmael]

I would have value called the flop.

[CallMeIshmael]

Einbert.. I have to ask, what's the deal with this hand?

I dont get it. Its like I cant find the punchline.

[einbert]

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Einbert.. I have to ask, what's the deal with this hand?

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Is it really that bad?

This is really a hand I played and the way I played it...

[CallMeIshmael]

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Is it really that bad?

This is really a hand I played and the way I played it...

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It was just that you were playing nickle/dime poker at a made up sight.

I thought it was supposed to be a joke, and I just didnt see why it was funny!

[dealer_toe]

5-bet it.

[MisterKing]

Christ. I mean, I know you probably posted this intentionally to show how ridiculous some recent posts have been (and generally the trend of too many non-original/interesting hands going up), but c'mon. .05/.10, 6-max? Faaantaastic. Post it in HUSH, micro, your bulletin board, or ANYWHERE else!

[einbert]

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Is it really that bad?

This is really a hand I played and the way I played it...

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It was just that you were playing nickle/dime poker at a made up sight.

I thought it was supposed to be a joke, and I just didnt see why it was funny!

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Okay I fixed it :-P.

I just figured the stakes didn't matter, it's just poker after all /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Anyway if anybody has some strategic advice on this hand I would really appreciate it ^_^.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Okay I fixed it :-P.

I just figured the stakes didn't matter, it's just poker after all /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Anyway if anybody has some strategic advice on this hand I would really appreciate it ^_^.

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LOL. Didnt mean to make ya change, just thought it was supposed to be a joke.

With tight reads behind you, I think Im cool with the PFR. But if there is even one loose player, I dont like it.

After that, I would have folded when it was 2 back to me.

[einbert]

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After that, I would have folded when it was 2 back to me.

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Really? I am getting 10-1 with a two pair draw and the nut backdoor flush draw.

So without discounting outs I have 6.5 outs, but I guess I should discount because I could be up against a set. Even taking two more off that though I come up 4.5, which still makes it a call.

What am I missing?

[CallMeIshmael]

I thought the flop 3-bettor was passive... I think I misread.

Did you mean to give a read on BB (he didnt play), but not on button?

(I assumed that is a passive player 3-bets that flop, some of your outs arent overly live on that board)

[einbert]

Ah yeah that's what I meant.

I agree they aren't totally clean. Even a passive player can three-bet two pair here though, and I'm drawing quite live against most two-pair combinations (the ones that are more likely since I'm holding an eight).

Maybe I can run this one through pokerstove. Gonna be hard to put SB on a range of hands though.

[CallMeIshmael]

Basically my reasoning was:

passive player 3-bets that flop, his most likely holding (and I dont want to sound weak tight here) is, sadly, a set.

He would have to have cold called preflop with T8 or T6 or 86 to have a 2 pair combo.

Do you think those are in his range?? (what is is VPIP?)

[CallMeIshmael]

I guess he could have something like 8d9d as well

[einbert]

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Do you think those are in his range?? (what is is VPIP?)

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Yes.

I just checked pokertracker, his VPIP is 48.65.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Yes.

I just checked pokertracker, his VPIP is 48.65.

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Then I retract my response. Call the flop.

What are your thoughts on the turn? In light of his VPIP (and the flop being cool) I think a strong case can be made for folding.

You are getting 12-1. Which means you need about 3.5 outs. Which means you need to win 70% of the time you hit your 5-outter (assuming your hand is never good now)

There is also a chance of a raise behind you.

[pokerstudAA]

Preflop: I think I toss that junk in MP. Suited we can talk.

Flop: I think like a call here. You want someone to hit their A the same time you do. The A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif is pretty and makes a raise look not so bad.

[einbert]

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What are your thoughts on the turn? In light of his VPIP (and the flop being cool) I think a strong case can be made for folding.

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I agree, I think I should have folded the turn. Too much chance of it getting raised behind me.

[ErrantNight]

i don't like any street.

[gvibes]

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i don't like any street.

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You fold A8o when folded to you in mp3?

[ErrantNight]

since when is hero in the hijack?

[CallMeIshmael]

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since when is hero in the hijack?

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There is one fold after him, then the button calls.

(Long story short, einbert made a joke post as the original, and then reedited it.)

[Catt]

You may have missed it originally - but Hero is clearly in the hijack in this hand (5 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls . . . )