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EasilyFound
04-19-2005, 06:22 PM
I was reading HOH. In his section on pot odds, Hand 4-9, he discusses how much to bet w/TPTK to make a flush draw get incorrect odds to call the turn.

Here is the example from Hand 4-9: On the flop, the pot contains $170 and the bettor has top pair, top kicker, with two clubs on the board, creating a flush draw. TPTK bets $100, and the other player, on a flush draw, calls. Now the pot, with both bets, contains $370. In the book, Harrington says that the $100 bet was too small and have the opponent "proper pot odds to call" to see the turn. The opponent was betting $100 to win $270, which is 2.7-1 odds. It is 4-1 to hit the flush on the turn, at which there presumably will be a round of betting.

Why is 2.7-1 odds "proper" odds to pay to draw for a flush off the flop? Is it because of implied odds? But if you miss the turn, you will face another bet, of unknown size, to draw again for the river. I would have thought that 2.7-1 would not be good odds in that situation.

OatmealJoe
04-19-2005, 07:12 PM
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Why is 2.7-1 odds "proper" odds to pay to draw for a flush off the flop? Is it because of implied odds? But if you miss the turn, you will face another bet, of unknown size, to draw again for the river. I would have thought that 2.7-1 would not be good odds in that situation.

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Yes, implied odds. Assuming that you hit your flush on the turn, you can expect to extract more money from you opponent, so you are really paying $100 to win $270 plus whatever else gets bet on turn/river. You are about 1 in 5 to hit your flush on the turn, so if you can expect to win a larger than $500 pot if your flush hits on the turn, calling seems correct.

If your flush does not hit on the turn, you would need to reevaluate calling/folding depending on your opponents next bet.

BradleyT
04-19-2005, 07:50 PM
Do you stop betting TPTK when a 3 flush appears on the turn? Neither does anyone else...