more weak/tight play PP 15/30 under-full

[donger]

So far in my first 1k hands, I'm having trouble adjusting to PP 15/30's default aggression. I've already folded an eventual 13 BB pot, how many bets did I miss here?

(a note on my PF call.. i knew I would be getting excess action if I hit this hand, the preflop 3-bettor is hyperaggro)

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

[einbert]

It is incredibly unlikely MP1 has you beat. 88 is the most likely hand that has you beat, but many players here will give you this much action with AJ, KJs, AA, KK, QQ, the list goes on...

I would have at least three-bet the turn. If he caps and is reasonable I would be torn between bet/calling the river and check/calling it.

[donger]

God, I suck. Is it normal to have growing pains like this?
I've been winning ~3BB/100 for the last 45k hands at 3/6 &amp; 5/10. I'm starting to question if I knew how to play in the first place, though.

[27offsooot]

The PF call is really, really bad. Even if u get excess action, i don't think it will be worth it. You need to make up a lot.

I would just call the flop three bet and hopefully c/r or c/3-bet the turn.
Not three-betting the turn is really, really, really bad too. I think it's pretty obvious MP1 has AJ. I would easily cap the turn, and three bet the river.

[donger]

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The PF call is really, really, really atrocious. Even if u get excess action, i don't think it will be worth it. You need to make up a lot.

I would just call the flop three bet and hopefully c/r or c/3-bet the turn.
Not three-betting the turn is really, really, really bad too. I think it's pretty obvious MP1 has AJ. I would easily cap the turn, and three bet the river.

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Yeah, this really sucked. I wanted excess action, then turned it down when I got it.

[einbert]

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God, I suck. Is it normal to have growing pains like this?
I've been winning ~3BB/100 for the last 45k hands at 3/6 &amp; 5/10. I'm starting to question if I knew how to play in the first place, though.

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Have you played the 10/20 6max? It's great for getting used to dealing with lots of aggression. I highly reccomend it as a step towards 15/30.

[einbert]

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The PF call is really, really bad.

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Although I didn't say this, I agree with it as well.

[donger]

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God, I suck. Is it normal to have growing pains like this?
I've been winning ~3BB/100 for the last 45k hands at 3/6 &amp; 5/10. I'm starting to question if I knew how to play in the first place, though.

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Have you played the 10/20 6max? It's great for getting used to dealing with lots of aggression. I highly reccomend it
as a step towards 15/30.

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Should I be passing through 5/10 6max first? I'm actually getting really confused about what direction my game is headed.

[einbert]

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Should I be passing through 5/10 6max first? I'm actually getting really confused about what direction my game is headed.

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I would. 5/10 6max will basically teach you the basic mechanics of 6max play, and 10/20 6max will let you apply that against very aggressive players and other TAGs.

Did you go the 3/6 -&gt; 5/10 full -&gt; 10/20 full -&gt; 15/30 route?

[donger]

Yeah, and i've been paying the piper lately if I end up in the wrong game. I was going to go 10/20 but party basically killed what was left of that limit with this new upgrade. I had only played a few thousand hands of 10/20 full and had run pretty good.

This is my first crack at 15/30 and I am feeling pretty dejected &amp; punch drunk.

[MoreWineII]

I three-bet the turn too. There's like one hand that you're behind, 88, and 50 others he'd play this way that you beat - I'm discounting quads since they're so unlikely. I'm tempted to lead the river even if the turn is capped, but that might be slightly too aggro..

[einbert]

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This is my first crack at 15/30 and I am feeling pretty dejected &amp; punch drunk.

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There is no shame in moving down in limits, and the lessons learned at the 6max games will be highly worth your while IMO.

I would reccomend you jump to the 5/10 6max and once you're very confident there go ahead to the 10/20 6max.

[donger]

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This is my first crack at 15/30 and I am feeling pretty dejected &amp; punch drunk.

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There is no shame in moving down in limits, and the lessons learned at the 6max games will be highly worth your while IMO.

I would reccomend you jump to the 5/10 6max and once you're very confident there go ahead to the 10/20 6max.

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Thanks for the advice. I'm going to take the smoldering remains of my party BR over to 5/10 6max.

BTW, are there any threads on PF strategy against a 40/25ish LAG? I have encountered tons of those players in my foray in 15/30 and haven't really known how to handle them. I feel like I'm being run over while I'm waiting for a hand as good as AJo or KQo or 88 to 3 bet them. Is that normal?