Top 20 players on PP [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 02:30 PM

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who would you say are the top 20 players on the site? I was having a discussion with a friend about this. Curious as to what all of your thoughts are.

-Jared

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Real question should be..

Of the 20 top sng players on PP, how many actually read or post here?

That would be more interesting to me than knowing the names of them.

Rojosox

04-19-2005, 02:31 PM

id still like a logical list from someone.

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 02:34 PM

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id still like a logical list from someone.

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I was lying. I too would like to see a list just for kicks. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Rojosox

04-19-2005, 02:52 PM

I challenge just 1 person to come up with a list- whether it be from the 200s/100s/step 5s...whatever

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:04 PM

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I challenge just 1 person to come up with a list- whether it be from the 200s/100s/step 5s...whatever

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your challenge is met: i made a list. but i'm not sharing it.

in other news, this topic has been done, except not in silly list fashion, previously. do a search for something along the lines of "who are the top 215 players" or something.

citanul

Rojosox

04-19-2005, 03:19 PM

reasoning for not sharing your list?

Apathy

04-19-2005, 03:21 PM

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reasoning for not sharing your list?

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I too have a pretty extensive list of who I feel the best 109 and 215ers are, but I don't see any value in posting it here.

Make your own list and I'll critique it.

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:21 PM

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reasoning for not sharing your list?

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I don't like people.

citanul

lorinda

04-19-2005, 03:25 PM

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Gamboholic_
24160.0

2
NUTZREALBIG
21241.0

3
VaTech14
19143.0

4
horryclutch
15211.0

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BigRiskky
14174.0

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DoUtDes
13886.0

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TheSeed69
13765.0

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baller6969
13675.0

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Red_Orchid
12149.0

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TKeller19
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nardist
11370.0

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newerra
11334.0

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StuSutcliffe
11259.0

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TurnDaNuts
10965.0

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Toofyhead
10742.0

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ForUrEyeOnly
10729.0

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yogort
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HoytCorkins5
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xingar
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Lori

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 03:25 PM

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reasoning for not sharing your list?

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I don't like people.

citanul

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People don't like you. *(!@#) /images/graemlins/tongue.gif God I hate it when I can't sleep and it's 3:30am. (vacation in a weird country)

john_

04-19-2005, 03:26 PM

top 20 winning players or top 20 contributers to the rake?

DonButtons

04-19-2005, 03:26 PM

my favorites are

actionmonkey
swiftsteal
surebet000

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 03:27 PM

Man those numbers are seriously making me inquisitive as to where that list came from. PT stats? Website that tracks players? That magical data-mine program in the Software forum? !*@&$$(!*@$ Don't leave me hanging Lori. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Edit: If that's the leaderboard, bah no fun.

john_

04-19-2005, 03:27 PM

isn't that just the leaderboard print out?

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:28 PM

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reasoning for not sharing your list?

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I don't like people.

citanul

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People don't like you. *(!@#) /images/graemlins/tongue.gif God I hate it when I can't sleep and it's 3:30am. (vacation in a weird country)

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Well, if he had asked for further reasoning, I was going to respond:

And people don't like me.

But you took care of that.

In reality, it makes no financial sense for me to share my list, so I won't.

citanul

ilikeaces

04-19-2005, 03:28 PM

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my favorites are

actionmonkey
swiftsteal
surebet000

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Swift steal

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t985)
MP2 (t985)
MP3 (t970)
CO (t1365)
Button (t1100)
Hero (t985)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t625)
UTG+2 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t15, 4 folds, MP3 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t70, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t140, BB folds, UTG raises to t985 (All-In), Hero calls t830 (All-In).

Turn: (t2015) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2015) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2015

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7c 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
UTG has As Qs (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins t2000. UTG wins t15.

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:30 PM

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my favorites are

actionmonkey
swiftsteal
surebet000

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Swift steal sucks

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t985)
MP2 (t985)
MP3 (t970)
CO (t1365)
Button (t1100)
Hero (t985)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t625)
UTG+2 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t15, 4 folds, MP3 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t70, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t140, BB folds, UTG raises to t985 (All-In), Hero calls t830 (All-In).

Turn: (t2015) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2015) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2015

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7c 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
UTG has As Qs (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins t2000. UTG wins t15. 

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Two responses for the price of one:

a) I'm sure that swiftsteal, who is a 2+2er, will be overjoyed to hear your opinion of him

b) OMFG! YOU have such an enormous internet cock! Can I see it? Can I touch it? OMG OMG OMG !!!11!!!

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:33 PM

is surebet you? that's a lot of surebet references for you for one day.

Apathy

04-19-2005, 03:35 PM

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Swift steal sucks

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You are a huge moron.

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 03:36 PM

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is surebet you? that's a lot of surebet references for you for one day.

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Yeah no kidding. I noticed this too but wasn't sure so I went digging in his recent posts. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif Come on Don, stop being so subtle. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 03:38 PM

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Swift steal sucks

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You are a huge moron.

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!!!!!!!!! If SwiftSteal sucks like the dude said then the world is going to end. No seriously, how in the hell could a person base someone's whole SNG knowledge on 1 hand. It's just idiotic.

ilikeaces

04-19-2005, 03:38 PM

I take it all back....

Player swiftsteal
Games played 74
Wins 28 (37.84%)
Losses 46 (62.16%)
Average Buy-In $545.95
Players with better winning percentage 110514
Players with worse winning percentage 295128
$1000 Table: 12 wins / 20 losses / 37.5% wins
$200 Table: 16 wins / 26 losses / 38.1% wins

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 03:41 PM

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I take it all back....

Player swiftsteal
Games played 74
Wins 28 (37.84%)
Losses 46 (62.16%)
Average Buy-In $545.95
Players with better winning percentage 110514
Players with worse winning percentage 295128
$1000 Table: 12 wins / 20 losses / 37.5% wins
$200 Table: 16 wins / 26 losses / 38.1% wins

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Just wait until you get corrected and find out who you're really talking about. People do change nicks you know.

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:41 PM

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I take it all back....

Player swiftsteal
Games played 74
Wins 28 (37.84%)
Losses 46 (62.16%)
Average Buy-In $545.95
Players with better winning percentage 110514
Players with worse winning percentage 295128
$1000 Table: 12 wins / 20 losses / 37.5% wins
$200 Table: 16 wins / 26 losses / 38.1% wins

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i can't even tell if you are trying to be sarcastic and saying that these stats are in fact backing you up in your claim that he sucks.

good work. thread hijack complete.

ilikeaces

04-19-2005, 03:42 PM

No saying he is solid.

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:44 PM

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Man those numbers are seriously making me inquisitive as to where that list came from. PT stats? Website that tracks players? That magical data-mine program in the Software forum? !*@&$$(!*@$ Don't leave me hanging Lori. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Edit: If that's the leaderboard, bah no fun.

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haha, i totally thought you were making fun, and clearly knew that that was the leaderboard, then i came back and saw the edit. nice job /images/graemlins/smile.gif

pwn3d by lori.

citanul

citanul

04-19-2005, 03:47 PM

sigh.

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 03:50 PM

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Man those numbers are seriously making me inquisitive as to where that list came from. PT stats? Website that tracks players? That magical data-mine program in the Software forum? !*@&$$(!*@$ Don't leave me hanging Lori. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Edit: If that's the leaderboard, bah no fun.

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haha, i totally thought you were making fun, and clearly knew that that was the leaderboard, then i came back and saw the edit. nice job /images/graemlins/smile.gif

pwn3d by lori.

citanul

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Yeah yeah I'm an idiot /images/graemlins/grin.gif but the numbers made me want to believe it was $$$ not leaderboard points. Would be nice knowing who the real $$$ winners are like that one site that posts top winners on the N/L games on UB per week/month and stuff.

Scuba Chuck

04-19-2005, 03:51 PM

Toofyhead is a $33er. I've never seen him on any $55s. He just plays them all day long, every day. I used to come across him so many times when I played the $33s.

ForUrEyeOnly I've seen on the $55s.

DonButtons

04-19-2005, 03:53 PM

surebet000 is my favorite fish, but I thought that would count too, lol...

ilikeaces

04-19-2005, 03:55 PM

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Toofyhead is a $33er. I've never seen him on any $55s. He just plays them all day long, every day. I used to come across him so many times when I played the $33s.

ForUrEyeOnly I've seen on the $55s.

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ForUrEyeOnly plays a ton of 200s too

john_

04-19-2005, 03:58 PM

I find that any regular step 5 players have inflated stats on their ITM percentage on PokerProphecy.

I'm not saying Gigabet isn't a great player but I've seen a lot of hands where he tries to "outplay" people with middle pairs postflop. Once a lot of players know this they can exploit it like crazy. Once you have a hand you mini-raise his blind and watch him stop and go or bet out with his middle pocket pairs. Often he'll have all his chips in the pot with two outs.

Instead of relying on PokerProphecy data to determine a player's ability how about actual data:

10-6|9-10|8-9|7-10|6-6|5-13|4-16|3-16|2-8|1-5|

There's the last known Step 5 place distribution of SwiftSteal. Sure it's not a huge sample size but neither is PokerProphecy.

curtains

04-19-2005, 04:03 PM

Unfortunately for PokerProphecy ....I have trouble believing their data is accurate. My stats at the $200 level are signifigantly lower on Prophecy than they actually were during that time period, meanwhile my stats at the $30s are WAY higher than they actually are. It has me moneying like 50%, which is absurd and not close to my actual money rate. It's hard to imagine how they even acheived such numbers through random samples.

curtains

04-19-2005, 04:04 PM

However one thing I notice about Prophpecy is that when someone has truly dreadful stats, they usually are terrible.

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 04:07 PM

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I find that any regular step 5 players have inflated stats on their ITM percentage on PokerProphecy.

I'm not saying Gigabet isn't a great player but I've seen a lot of hands where he tries to "outplay" people with middle pairs postflop. Once a lot of players know this they can exploit it like crazy. Once you have a hand you mini-raise his blind and watch him stop and go or bet out with his middle pocket pairs. Often he'll have all his chips in the pot with two outs.

Instead of relying on PokerProphecy data to determine a player's ability how about actual data:

10-6|9-10|8-9|7-10|6-6|5-13|4-16|3-16|2-8|1-5|

There's the last known Step 5 place distribution of SwiftSteal. Sure it's not a huge sample size but neither is PokerProphecy.

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Are you data-mining the step 5's? How did you get that distribution info?

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 04:09 PM

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However one thing I notice about Prophpecy is that when someone has truly dreadful stats, they usually are terrible.

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This is very true. The tricky part is determining if those high 30's/low 40's stats are accurate and whether I really should give *some* people credit.

john_

04-19-2005, 04:10 PM

I find its better to use PP stats to determine tightness / looseness of players in the earlier levels.

Like if I hold QQ at level 1 or 2 and I raise and get re-raised all in by a player who has PP stats of 44 / 50 - 46.8% ITM then I usually figure he's got me beat. If, however, their stats are trash I'm basically auto-calling with this hand...probably JJ too.

Slim Pickens

04-19-2005, 04:13 PM

I played against Toofyhead in some limit 11's and 22's back when I played limit. He seems to be a serious grinder.

john_

04-19-2005, 04:25 PM

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Are you data-mining the step 5's? How did you get that distribution info?

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Very carefully =)

Daliman

04-19-2005, 04:34 PM

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I find that any regular step 5 players have inflated stats on their ITM percentage on PokerProphecy.

I'm not saying Gigabet isn't a great player but I've seen a lot of hands where he tries to "outplay" people with middle pairs postflop. Once a lot of players know this they can exploit it like crazy. Once you have a hand you mini-raise his blind and watch him stop and go or bet out with his middle pocket pairs. Often he'll have all his chips in the pot with two outs.

Instead of relying on PokerProphecy data to determine a player's ability how about actual data:

10-6|9-10|8-9|7-10|6-6|5-13|4-16|3-16|2-8|1-5|

There's the last known Step 5 place distribution of SwiftSteal. Sure it's not a huge sample size but neither is PokerProphecy.

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Sure, he tries to outplay alot. That's because he can, and does.

His way isn't my way, but I'd certainly take his way in a half-second, as would 99.999% of all poker players.

TheUsher

04-19-2005, 04:34 PM

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Are you data-mining the step 5's? How did you get that distribution info?

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Very carefully =)

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I need to get in to that whole loop of new mining that's going on lately. I feel like I'm not one of the cool kids who doesn't have the new toy.

raptor517

04-19-2005, 04:39 PM

i would be interested to meet the .001% of players who wouldnt want to take his way. holla

Degen

04-19-2005, 04:55 PM

this has paid for my $30 about ten times over already...i especially like it for AK calls, when reraised early.

Degen

john_

04-19-2005, 04:58 PM

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this has paid for my $30 about ten times over already...i especially like it for AK calls, when reraised early.

Degen

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Agreed, I don't make calls early with AK though.

Rojosox

04-19-2005, 05:01 PM

What disadvantage would people have in posting the top players? Would 2+2's try to avoid them? Assuming 2+2's are smart anyways, isn't that beneficial to the top players as the tourneys fill up anyhow and more fish are in them. I haven't found anyone who has posted here. Even someone could throw a top 10.

Caponeny

04-19-2005, 05:01 PM

agreed, the toughest part about prohecy is determining the borderline people, with a call like QQ, i fold fifty and call fifty with people around 40%, obviously depends on what their chip stack is looking like and if I have them covered. Overall prophecy makes mistakes but has a good +2/-2 error variance with over a 100 tourneys recorded.

citanul

04-19-2005, 05:12 PM

you could try asking like, a top 2 question, and you'd be more likely to get an answer. there are a variety of reasons that it would be financially not good to share this kind of info though.

citanul

prepotency

04-19-2005, 05:15 PM

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you could try asking like, a top 2 question, and you'd be more likely to get an answer. there are a variety of reasons that it would be financially not good to share this kind of info though.

citanul

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are you afraid of heights, open spaces, peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth, and thunder too?

give me a break. posting a list wouldn't effect anything unless you pissed someone off by not listing them.

citanul

04-19-2005, 05:23 PM

alright then, well if you want the list as generated by various 2+2ers, you can do a search for it. it's there.

citanul

adanthar

04-19-2005, 05:25 PM

Gigabet is pretty much the best online poker player in the world and I don't think it's all that close. He's also the LAGgiest winning player on 2+2 and I don't think it's close /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

A lot of what he does is based on getting a big stack and he'll take lots of risks to get one. The KJo thread in the MTT forum ought to be required reading for SNG's, too.

Daliman

04-19-2005, 05:25 PM

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What disadvantage would people have in posting the top players? Would 2+2's try to avoid them? Assuming 2+2's are smart anyways, isn't that beneficial to the top players as the tourneys fill up anyhow and more fish are in them. I haven't found anyone who has posted here. Even someone could throw a top 10.

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I know what yer looking for.

Yer not in it.... /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Barcalounger

04-19-2005, 05:30 PM

1) Post your list that you've worked hard accumulating over years of grinding the SNG tournies.
2) Top player gets mad about having his secret identity outed, and changes screen name to avoid idiot railbirds on the Step 5.
3) Your list is no longer valid, nobody is helped, you must work on a new list.

Boy, I don't understand why they won't post thier list! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

zambonidrivr

04-19-2005, 05:32 PM

gamboholic
purplelungs
tedmccalaster
last_leaf
lordhutty
zambonidrivr

Rojosox

04-19-2005, 05:33 PM

nope im not even in the top 100. I know this.

prepotency

04-19-2005, 05:42 PM

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A lot of what he does is based on getting a big stack and he'll take lots of risks to get one. The KJo thread in the MTT forum ought to be required reading for SNG's, too.

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I ran a search and came up empty-handed, link?

DasLeben

04-19-2005, 05:44 PM

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gamboholic
purplelungs
tedmccalaster
last_leaf
lordhutty
zambonidrivr

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Hah. I played you in a 10+1 on Party not too long ago. You busted my KQo with AJo and left me for third. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

EdgePort

04-19-2005, 05:44 PM

I found it in about 5 seconds doing a search.

I'm not posting the link since better players than I have decided not to. Just listen to citanul...

citanul

04-19-2005, 05:44 PM

i think prahlad f is a strong contender for best online player in the world. giga is probably the best "all around" internet player though. though i'm not going to speak canonically, and well, this guy clearly wants screen names, and i don't think that giga goes by giga no more.

citanul

john_

04-19-2005, 05:58 PM

Personally, I think gigabet likes talking to the railbirds...why do you think he's using swiftsteal playing every single step 5 right now and replying anytime someone types to him?

allenciox

04-19-2005, 06:00 PM

On my records you are at least a top 100 player, rojosox... I have been keeping track of all the players I encounter playing the 200s and 100s that have pokerprophecy stats of 40% or higher with over 100 tourneys recorded... you're on my list which is only 66 people long..

Pokerprophecy shows you at 40.6% ITM in 709 tourneys with an average buyin of $184

However, others have you WAY outclassed in this measure, here are the ones I have with above 45% ITM:

ALGA_
aida8
cappy88
daltonator
edoiler (a whopping 48.5% but only 132 tourneys)
pokerman
pokerstarr3
surrealpoker

I can also make the assumption that people that are above a certain percentage have overestimated means (a safe assumption), and so subtract one standard error from their percentage (this controls also for number of tourneys played). When I do this, these are the players with after subtracting a standard error are still >= 43% ITM:

cappy88
daltonator
edoiler
pokerman
pokerstarr3
surrealpoker

Daliman

04-19-2005, 06:00 PM

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Personally, I think gigabet likes talking to the railbirds...why do you think he's using swiftsteal playing every single step 5 right now and replying anytime someone types to him?

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Cuz he's a nice guy.

Daliman

04-19-2005, 06:03 PM

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I found it in about 5 seconds doing a search.

I'm not posting the link since better players than I have decided not to. Just listen to citanul...

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Well, this worse player can't find it.... /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Please linky?

Rojosox

04-19-2005, 06:03 PM

Allen, You definitely cannot use poker prophecy as your measure.

citanul

04-19-2005, 06:07 PM

are we talking about the KJo hand? I've got no prob with people posting that. if i can find that, i'll let you know, i think it's in my favorites.

also, giga =/= swiftsteal i don't think.

citanul

citanul

04-19-2005, 06:13 PM

seeing as how someone rated you as a big swinging dick of 100s and 200s, i'll help you out. but from now on i'm only providing help if requested by players that guy says are in the top 5.

Two links:

one (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=&Number=1366299&page=1&vie w=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1)

two (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1366229&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

i think i'm correct in assuming this is what you wanted, not the stupid who are the best 215ers post.

Daliman

04-19-2005, 06:25 PM

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seeing as how someone rated you as a big swinging dick of 100s and 200s, i'll help you out. but from now on i'm only providing help if requested by players that guy says are in the top 5.

Two links:

one (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=&Number=1366299&page=1&vie w=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1)

two (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1366229&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

i think i'm correct in assuming this is what you wanted, not the stupid who are the best 215ers post.

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That's it. TYVM, you da man.

Now, to move up from #6 so you will be bound to do my bidding.... /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

citanul

04-19-2005, 06:36 PM

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seeing as how someone rated you as a big swinging dick of 100s and 200s, i'll help you out. but from now on i'm only providing help if requested by players that guy says are in the top 5.

Two links:

one (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=&Number=1366299&page=1&vie w=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1)

two (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1366229&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

i think i'm correct in assuming this is what you wanted, not the stupid who are the best 215ers post.

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That's it. TYVM, you da man.

Now, to move up from #6 so you will be bound to do my bidding.... /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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his list was alphabetical. i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not the worst amongst that list. even though i think i've only played one game against you ever.

john_

04-19-2005, 06:39 PM

Very interesting threads...thanks for posting the links...

The Yugoslavian

04-19-2005, 06:51 PM

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i think i'm correct in assuming this is what you wanted, not the stupid who are the best 215ers post.

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Ahhh, but that thread is more enlightening than first meets the eye.

Just like Desdia's old threads are much more enlightening than I ever thought possible...

It's all about perspective baby! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Yugoslav

Blarg

04-19-2005, 07:14 PM

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Unfortunately for PokerProphecy ....I have trouble believing their data is accurate. My stats at the $200 level are signifigantly lower on Prophecy than they actually were during that time period, meanwhile my stats at the $30s are WAY higher than they actually are. It has me moneying like 50%, which is absurd and not close to my actual money rate. It's hard to imagine how they even acheived such numbers through random samples.

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Their data is not updated much, and not very accurate. It has me winning much more than I do, and doesn't have more than half my games accounted for. I got a good laugh out of that site saying I was a "pro," especially with so much data missing.