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meleader2
04-19-2005, 02:10 PM
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($32.35)
Button ($14.80)
SB ($52.35)
BB ($33.90)
Hero ($59.65)
UTG+1 ($20.25)
MP1 ($52.15)
MP2 ($43.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.75</font>, BB calls $3.75.

Turn: ($11.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($11.25) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, BB calls $20.

Final Pot: $61.25

Results:
BB has Kd Qh (one pair, queens).
Hero has Qs Js (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins $61.25. </font>

etgryphon
04-19-2005, 02:16 PM
fold preflop...Way to get lucky.

Now, since you decided to play it. Continuation bet on the flop is fine, but I would have folded to any heat.

The BB basically handed this pot to you.

I think you got the most money to be expected.

-Gryph

meleader2
04-19-2005, 02:20 PM
i agree it's horrible position, but u'd lay down QJs?

The_Bends
04-19-2005, 02:26 PM
Yes all day. Its a trouble hand OOP. Remember you only got out of this one through a combination of awful play on his part and a lucky draw.

zaxx19
04-19-2005, 02:30 PM
Ill probably limp and pimp with it. A raise in EP is pretty bad man...im not really sure what it accomplishes as this is really a drawing hand for the most part.

etgryphon
04-19-2005, 02:30 PM
PF UTG? Probably unless it was a really loose table. Big Broadway cards give reverse implied odds. Look you caught runner runner to win the hand. The problem here is that you flopped TPMK and you really don't have position to get away from your hand though you could be way behind KQ/AQ/KK/AA. If you want to play SC which is all QJ really is, you need to have position. Unless you are really good, playing QJs up front is a dangerous proposition.

Muck them...

-Gryph

The_Bends
04-19-2005, 02:31 PM
Actually I'll be a little clearer with my reasons.

QJs is a fine drawing hand that can make some monsters. However its a drawing hand, not a made hand. Even Kx has you up against it. The simple rule is, playing drawing hands OOP is a recipe for disaster. You will get in trouble acting first with draws.

Play it in LP but not early.

meleader2
04-19-2005, 03:15 PM
awesome guys, thanks for the advice...i was horrible with the position now that i've had time to mull it over

i 3 table and it makes it difficult sometimes to see all the angles..working on it!