A Blind steal meets resistence

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Opponent here is tight but he's straight forward. If he's got the goods he bets, if he doesn't he folds. Saying that, what do you do on the river?


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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

[jaxUp]

Cap the turn. Get 1 bet in on the river.

[KCheng]

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Cap the turn. Get 1 bet in on the river.

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Agreed. Worth it with the 2nd nuts here.

[adsman]

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Cap the turn. Get 1 bet in on the river.

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What are you putting Villian on? He 3 bet preflop and he 3 bet that Turn. He also led the river.

[KCheng]

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What are you putting Villian on? He 3 bet preflop and he 3 bet that Turn. He also led the river.

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Now that you mention that...

You mentioned villian was tight. Maybe he has AKo(K of d)?

[aK13]

I put BB on AA or AK, as I see only these 2 hands playing this way. I would cap the turn, and if he fires on the river, I call down, expecting him to flip a K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif .

[Maurader1]

if he is as tight as you describe, i would think that he is raising pf with a high pocket pair, AA-TT...having said that, only one possibility KdK would have you beat...given the turn action, i think we can rule out QQ-TT, so the only thing I can imagine is AA or KdK...since he is tight, if he had KK, he might not bet after the A fell on the flop, so I would lean towards him having AA and raise/cap the river...is this spewing chips?

[flo]

Push more! Raise flop, you are usually ahead here.

.oO(without reading other responses, woohoo! :&gt; )

[Entity]

Raise the flop.

[SlantNGo]

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Raise the flop.

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You don't think a tight, straightforward player would dump a TT, JJ, KK to a flop raise with a monotone board?

[McGahee]

I would raise the flop. Put yourself in villian's shoes. Do you EVER give your opponent credit for a made flush when 3 suited cards fall on the flop HU?

[McGahee]

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Raise the flop.

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You don't think a tight, straightforward player would dump a TT, JJ, KK to a flop raise with a monotone board?

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Folding to a single flop raise? No way. Assuming villian doesn't have a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, even the tighest, most passive players are not dumping HU unless a 4th /images/graemlins/diamond.gif hits the board. Most of the time it won't.

[benkath1]

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If he's got the goods he bets

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define 'goods'. goods as in AA or goods as in K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Is he a solid player with knowledge of blind defense, or only bets when he has a hand?

Why not raise the flop? I think that's when you had the best hand. Raising the turn after not raising the flop I think is ok, but I like to get informantion about the hand on the cheaper street. I would have to call the river after I've come this far.

Ben

[Rambino]

I put him on AA. That's the only hand that people will always bet, even into a scary board. Villain knows he has trip aces, and that's all he cares about. He wouldn't have bet KK on the flop. AK is a possibility, but your villain doesn't sound like he would 3-bet AK.

UNLESS, of course, you have been stealing a lot, to the point where this guy thinks you are full of it. Then his range of hands is much broader...

[@bsolute_luck]

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I put him on AA. That's the only hand that people will always bet, even into a scary board. Villain knows he has trip aces, and that's all he cares about. He wouldn't have bet KK on the flop. AK is a possibility, but your villain doesn't sound like he would 3-bet AK.

UNLESS, of course, you have been stealing a lot, to the point where this guy thinks you are full of it. Then his range of hands is much broader...

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/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif that's a helluva handread there to nail him on 1 hand. To the OP: how confident are you in your tight read? some may think i'm tight, but i'm firing back with number of hands from BB to a possible blind steal.

flop: he probably has a pair of aces. raise. HU, i wouldn't think ANYONE would think you flopped 2nd best flush.

turn: he probably thinks you're bluffing, so fires back.
river: he still thinks you're bluffing most likely.

i think you have to be more aggressive somewhere. i like the call on the flop only because it sets up an appearance of a bluff attempt on the turn. i'd cap the river. i don't know if it's optimal or anything, but a fun way to play it.
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[McGahee]

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i think you have to be more aggressive somewhere. i like the call on the flop only because it sets up an appearance of a bluff attempt on the turn.

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Hmm, I might like that for a 10/20 game. But for .5/1 Party? A flop call and a turn raise certainly doesn't look like a bluff. A flop raise does.

[@bsolute_luck]

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i think you have to be more aggressive somewhere. i like the call on the flop only because it sets up an appearance of a bluff attempt on the turn.

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Hmm, I might like that for a 10/20 game. But for .5/1 Party? A flop call and a turn raise certainly doesn't look like a bluff. A flop raise does.

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well then i'm moving up /images/graemlins/laugh.gif going from .25/.5 to 10/20 /images/graemlins/grin.gif

so we should rearrange to flop raise. call the turn and cap river...obviously for fun. the other way to play it i guess would be: raise the flop, call the 3-bet, raise again on the turn and call down if 3-bet for possible k/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

[adsman]

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If he's got the goods he bets

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define 'goods'. goods as in AA or goods as in K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Is he a solid player with knowledge of blind defense, or only bets when he has a hand?

Why not raise the flop? I think that's when you had the best hand. Raising the turn after not raising the flop I think is ok, but I like to get informantion about the hand on the cheaper street. I would have to call the river after I've come this far.

Ben

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"Goods" would be defined as, he will bet agressively with TPTK, 2 pair etc. He won't bet middle pair etc. He's not a rock but he's close to it. Very straight forward. If he doesn't have anything he folds as soon as you push back. That's why I called the flop. So he could have AA, he could have AK with the /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, but I think that the minimum that he's got would be a set. I have a few hundred hands on him, and he doesn't seem to like me, (God knows why...)

[Rosencrantz1]

Yeah, I think you have to call him down on the river. I don't see much value in raising what will no doubt be bet from him; it's a decent enough pot as-is. I think that, given how tight he is, you have to give him a better-than-average chance of having K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. I say call the river and see what's what.

For what it's worth, I think he probably has a worse read on you here than you do on him. He probably has you on two-pair or trips, maybe a weaker flush than you have.