Pocket Aces, second king on the turn

[deception5]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero ???

BB is sLP(30/.33) with a pfr of 0%.

[toss]

How many hands is this over? If its a good amount a fold would be in order.

[deception5]

Had 30 hands on him at the time.

[Redd]

If I may quote one of the SS carpal tunnelers:

Hero folds, and kicks the dog.

At this point, the biggest question is if you're behind to a king or a slowplayed flush. You're either drawing to 2 or 4 outs, and you don't have odds to call.

edit: Hmm, IMO this gets a little tougher with only 30 hands on Villain. I'd say the pot is still small enough for you to muck, given the chance that villain is passive. Have you seen him try anything tricky yet?

[Duerig]

Folding here is a big mistake in my opinion. If villain had a K, he would have check-raised you on the turn. HU, I call this down to get 2 BB out of him. If you raise the turn he probably won't pay you off if he's bluffing, and he will 3-bet if he has the K. I think calling down is the best option.

EDIT: Didn't see the flush board! I still think calling down is good. I think if villain had flopped a flush and check-called the flop, it would only be because he plans to check raise the turn.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Call down, .5/1 players LOVE to bluff that. Even when you have exposed your hand to obviously be a flush, they bluff when trips is possible on the board.

YES I WILL FOLD MY FLUSH FOR ONE BET ON THE RIVER GOOD SIR RAISE.

[Ed Miller]

Call and call again on the river.

[toss]

30 hands is not enough for anything near accurate. Call down.

[sweave1]

* grunch *
raise i think, you been aggro to this point and everyone is reacting to you. if he reraises then you have to consider the 3K's but it has low odds for him as being possible. plus its the BB so he could easily limped with any number of hands....

sweave1

[deepsquat]

i dont think a raise is going to achieve anything good here. Call down.

[@bsolute_luck]

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i dont think a raise is going to achieve anything good here. Call down.

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echo, echo....

[z80x86]

The pot isn't big enough to take such a risk. You may already be facing a flush or trips. You're not drawing dead, but with only two outs you won't be getting the odds necessary to make the call.

[martinimagic]

This guy is pretty straight forward weak-tight with no imagination. I think you are probably behind and just need to call down.

[waynethetrain]

I see Ed says to call it down (I'd like to see the explanation too). I would have folded it, but very reluctantly.

[fl0w]

Reraise. If he pops you back, fold. Otherwise you'll get a cheap showdown.

[Dave G.]

Calling this down is the sensible play. The times you'll fold aces will be very rare and this certainly isn't one of them. He might be passive but there could be any number of reasons for his bet here. He doesn't know you have aces.

[Dave G.]

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Reraise. If he pops you back, fold. Otherwise you'll get a cheap showdown.

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Raising the turn to either a) fold to a 3-bet and b) get a free showdown is a horrible play.

If your hand really is good why do you want a free showdown?

If you think your hand is bad, well, it'll cost you the same to raise/fold that it will to call/call, and you don't even need psychic powers to make the decision.

If you are that sure that your hand is beaten here, just fold. Since it's impossible to be that sure that your aces are behind here, raise/fold sucks.

[SlantNGo]

It's always nice to see that Ed recommends the same line as me /images/graemlins/smile.gif I would call the turn, as often you'll see a mid to high diamond or a Jack bet here. Also call a river bet, but if he checks, I'm quite tempted to bet a river blank.

[ErrantNight]

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Call and call again on the river.

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I've always wanted to quote/respond to Ed Miller. Now, I have done so.


It helps that he's right so frickin' often.