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BigBaitsim (milo)
04-18-2005, 11:00 PM
Pretty sure I played the turn right... New at the table, just starting second orbit.

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Preflop: MiloMcFish is BB with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MiloMcFish calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MiloMcFish checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MiloMcFish raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, MiloMcFish calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MiloMcFish checks, MP checks.

River: (5.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MiloMcFish bets</font>, MP calls.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB
billyjex
04-18-2005, 11:14 PM
Is it normal to call 72s to an MP raise? I usually muck low suited cards unless they somehow connect.

Giving everything else.. I like the flop C/R, you just gotta C/C the turn, river bluff, I guess why not?
BigBaitsim (milo)
04-18-2005, 11:23 PM
On the river I have the ass-end of straight with four on the board.
helpmeout
04-18-2005, 11:26 PM
Fold this trash preflop
stinkypete
04-18-2005, 11:31 PM
yup, easy preflop muck.
mperich
04-19-2005, 12:26 AM
PF muck as everyone says, every other street is fine.

-Mike
Derek in NYC
04-19-2005, 01:58 AM
I think this play is horrible on every street.
girgy44
04-19-2005, 02:18 AM
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I think this play is horrible on every street.

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So you don't value bet the piss end of the straight and you lead into a guy who 3 bet your c/r on the flop when you still have nothing but a draw?

Wow, you really suck.
Derek in NYC
04-19-2005, 02:31 AM
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So you don't value bet the piss end of the straight and you lead into a guy who 3 bet your c/r on the flop when you still have nothing but a draw?

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Actually, I dont call a raise with suited garbage from the BB, when the raiser is an unknown to me because I just sat down; checkraise on the flop with a weak draw OOP where my c/r will lay 7:1 odds to be called; or value bet the piss end of the str8 on a flush-coordinated board where the villain was a preflop raiser and a flop three-bettor after my checkraise.

But what do I know, I'm weak tight. (And just to be clear, I overstated my criticism when I said it sucked on every street. I also check the turn.)
Surfbullet
04-19-2005, 04:37 AM
HU a 4-flush is not a "weak" draw... it's necessary to be aggressive with most good draws and nearly any made hand in a blind defense situation as it is too costly to wait for TPTK or monster draws.

Additionally, the river value bet is pretty clear, as 3-betting the flop HU could mean anything - overcards, pair + backdoor flush, nearly any PP, TJ, who knows.

There are a large number of paired (and unpaired) hands that will call and you'll drag the pot, while there are relatively few (a Q and a runner-runner-flush) that will raise you, while you may even get raised by 2pair or a set.

These factors make a river value bet pretty clear.

I also fold preflop though.

Surf
Schneids
04-19-2005, 04:58 AM
I would need like two callers to play this hand PF. Your line postflop is fine.