clear fold?

[george w of poker]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($116.34)
BB ($108.35)
UTG ($101.8)
MP ($91.65)
CO ($155.4)
Hero ($200.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $4</font>, UTG calls $4, MP folds, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4, SB calls $2.

Flop: ($26) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $10</font>, CO calls $10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $50</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, CO raises $140.40 (All-In)

its $100 back to me at this point getting 2.3:1.
villain has 22, AT, KT, QT, JT, 9T, 8T.

against 22 i need about 3.5:1 to call. does the remaining hand range offset this? i don't think so but i don't know.

does anyone play it differently? pf, i was almost certain sb would not 3 bet.

[jojobinks]

do you know enough about this guy to rule out AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or AK-AJ of hearts?

[george w of poker]

i would say he is loose pf and not stupid post flop. aa, kk is not likely. i guess i can't rule out the other hands but their likelihood is small. qq, jj being more likely than a flush draw.

[meleader2]

he probably has a weaker 10, considering the amount of callers i'd presume one or two of them have an ace....AJ AQ or AK..

22 definetly isn't out of the question, but i'm putting him on JT..T9

[fuzzbox]

What are you basing that on ?

You put him on JT or 9T ... just .... because ?

Why cant he do that with 22 or AT, or even KT ?

I think it depends on your read of the player, but many players dont call raises with KT or AT. My guess is he has 22, as many players DO call raises with any old pair. ATs has a certain possibility I suppose.

I guess that you are behind, and I guess you now know why you are not supposed to call raises with QTo !! :-)

[george w of poker]

this pf call isn't that marginal i don't think

[FlipPoker]

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...I guess you now know why you are not supposed to call raises with QTo !! :-)

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Yes. With a raise and re-raise, I'd let QTo go preflop.

[zaxx19]

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Yes. With a raise and re-raise, I'd let QTo go preflop.



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The call here is pretty thin....if its sooted and the game is mad loose preflop ....maybe, especially with position.

offsuit, I think it might be time to cut your losses.

[BobboFitos]

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...I guess you now know why you are not supposed to call raises with QTo !! :-)

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Yes. With a raise and re-raise, I'd let QTo go preflop.

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without question, very bad pf play

[george w of poker]

what about the interesting part of the hand.

[jojobinks]

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what about the interesting part of the hand.

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that's the thing about playing tight preflop, right? it puts us in less of these "interesting" situations.

[BobboFitos]

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what about the interesting part of the hand.

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CO's line is interesting. call/push

if thats his hand range then i'd call. you have too much of an overlay + the fact that you feel your hand is good freqeuntly here. you have outs vs 22.

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i would say he is loose pf and not stupid post flop.

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If he is loose PF you still cannot discount him calling with AT or 22. He knows you have a T with your re-raise. With your read, do you think he would consider pushing evem with KT?
My thinking here is that you're beat. Fold, lick your wounds and wait for another opportunity.

I'd like to know how you did.

[george w of poker]

i thought for awhile and reluctantly called. he had 22 and took it down.