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11t

04-18-2005, 02:04 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t5590)
Hero (t1875)
BB (t1235)
UTG (t4800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t1850, BB calls t1010 (All-In).

Flop: (t2935) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2935) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2935) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2935

Matt Walker

04-18-2005, 02:16 AM

Unless this guy is especially tight and blinds are moving up soon, I prob fold here. With stacks of 9x and 5x, your not desperate enough to push Q4o yet. The BB has a fifth of his stack in already and he needs to make a move before blinds hit him again so hell call with virtually any hand that is ahead of you and maybe even some you beat but surely none you dominate. Also if he does call and win you almost have to push the very next hand to keep any sort of folding equity. I save my chips for a better spot where its either more likely I'll be seeing a fold or one where I have a better hand.

johnnybeef

04-18-2005, 03:23 AM

fold....remember: selective aggression.

LeVoodoo

04-18-2005, 03:31 AM

Don't post the results next time. Everybody that says fold has pushed in a similar situation more than once recently.

curtains

04-18-2005, 03:40 AM

Results don't matter, pushing was correct. I don't think it's very close either.

Degen

04-18-2005, 04:01 AM

why not min-raise or make it 500? he's likely to fold to this if he'll fold to the push.

Degen

Slim Pickens

04-18-2005, 04:04 AM

This is a push and it's not anywhere close.

Slim Pickens

04-18-2005, 04:05 AM

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why not min-raise or make it 500? he's likely to fold to this if he'll fold to the push.

Degen

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This is a push and it's not anywhere close. Why leave him any folding equity?

curtains

04-18-2005, 04:49 AM

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why not min-raise or make it 500? he's likely to fold to this if he'll fold to the push.

Degen

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Raising to 500 is bad because you have to call a push anyways (Its 700 more in a headsup pot, they could have any assortment of random non dominating hands), and may encourage them to push with weaker hands that they would have otherwise folded.

Mr_J

04-18-2005, 05:00 AM

A weak raise encourages the BB to push back at hero.

Mr_J

04-18-2005, 05:19 AM

"The BB has a fifth of his stack in already"

I see this as irrelevent vs most players. Not many players will be so attatched to their BB that they'll call enough to make a push here unprofitable.

"he needs to make a move before blinds hit him again"

And he probally will. Most players in this position will push anytime they get to be 1st in the pot.

"so hell call with virtually any hand that is ahead of you "

You are seriously overestimating the range of hands BB will call with. He will fold plenty of hands that are ahead of yours.

Stealing from him here also diminishes his FE. If blinds go up before he sees the BB, he'll have no FE after going through the blinds. So either he's going to starve or he'll be forced into a coinflip with a big stack.

Folding to him here gives him life and enough to surive an extra cycle before getting desperate. If he can use that time to steal some blinds (with his extra FE) then the pressure is on you. By passing up on this opportunity you are giving him a chance to gain momentum and apply the pressure on to you.

Degen

04-18-2005, 05:38 AM

Well curtains please review this hand (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2179858&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1) and tell me if you think this is a call then? I was implying here that if he re-raised this pot its probably a fold.

Degen

AA suited

04-18-2005, 10:14 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t5590)
Hero (t1875)
BB (t1235)
UTG (t4800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t1850, BB calls t1010 (All-In).

Flop: (t2935) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2935) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2935) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2935

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it's +ev to push even if his calling range is as low as any pair, ax, kt+

gasgod

04-18-2005, 10:52 AM

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t5590)
Hero (t1875)
BB (t1235)
UTG (t4800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t1850, BB calls t1010 (All-In).

Flop: (t2935) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2935) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2935) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2935

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Why don't the bets and pot size match up? With t1235, BB posts t200 and calls t1010 all-in. The two of you have almost all your money in the pot (t1850 + t1235) yet it only comes to t2935? wtf?

GG

JasonP530

04-18-2005, 11:03 AM

So youre pushing any two here?

curtains

04-18-2005, 01:25 PM

I don't know about pushing any two (Although I will push a very large percentage of hands). However I am pushing queen high.

microbet

04-18-2005, 01:46 PM

ICM likes this push. Using Eastbay's tool, the only way to get it to not like the push is to give you a really bad hand like 72o and put BB on the loosest preset range (22+,A2+,K2+,Q9+).

Any two is still a good push, ICM-wise, against tighter ranges.

valenzuela

04-18-2005, 04:44 PM

even at the party 11s??EDIT: I suppose microbet answers it. BTW ive decided to tighten up if theres a stack with half my chips and Im in the 1200-2000 range is this wrong?