Another big ace out of the SB

[casinogosain]

I completely butchered this.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero folds.

After I fail to lead the flop, the fold on the turn is reasonable, no?

-Ash

[admiralfluff]

no.

you're closing the action, getting 7.5:1. You have more than 5.5 outs.

[PokerSparky]

You're draw is at least six outs (gutshot with over cards discounted). You're getting odds to call the turn.

[JoshuaD]

Ditto.

[HajiShirazu]

I would say you have 5 outs here. I think you are often going to either be up against an already made two pair, or an ace is going to give someone else two pair. A K is probably never good as it puts the 4 straight on board, you do have the jacks which will usually all be good, maybe you have 5 or 5.5 outs. I would fold because other than hitting a non heart jack I wouldn't like my hand much on the river.

[casinogosain]

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I would fold because other than hitting a non heart jack I wouldn't like my hand much on the river.

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I completely agree with this statement. While at face value I have lots of outs, I think that there are only two clean outs that don't leave me overcalling the river (J/images/graemlins/club.gif,J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif).

While my passive play failed to define my opponents hands, I was fairly certain I was soundly beaten when I folded:

River: (7.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Jh Kh (flush, king high).
Button has Ah 3h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins 15.50 BB. </font>

-Ash

[ErrantNight]

fearing a flush when a 2flush doesn't hit until the turn is Weak.

it was a bad fold with happy results.

[casinogosain]

I didn't fear the non-made flush. I feared the made straight or two pair.

-Ash

[ErrantNight]

equally ridiculous /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FoodForThought]

I count 4.5 outs. Js=1, Jc=1, Jd=1, Jh=.5, As=.5, Ac=.5, Ah=0 (flush, straight, and reverse domination...not really an out). I wouldn't count the K's as outs....four card straight. 5.5BB, two calls, plus implied (1BB?)=8.5BB. I fold.