View Full Version : ATo, some raising, no improvement.
dr. klopek
04-18-2005, 01:26 AM
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.
Flop: (5 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.
Turn: (3.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.
River: (7.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds.
Final Pot: 8.50 BB
SCfuji
04-18-2005, 01:28 AM
pf: you have a drawing hand just limp
milesdyson
04-18-2005, 01:29 AM
You are lucky he folded the river. You would think he either called your turn raise with two /images/graemlins/heart.gifs or a hand he was willing to showdown - both of which you lose to on the river. If I was going to put raises in anywhere in this hand it would be on the flop.
deepsquat
04-18-2005, 01:29 AM
obviously its very read dependant.
I would have prob raised or folded the flop. If i raised and was 3 bet id dump it.
If he calls i bet the turn, if he calls that i would prob just cut my losses and check behind on the river.
SCfuji
04-18-2005, 01:32 AM
no way miles. dr lklopek bet and raised with the best hand and put a great move on this villain making him fold his worse hand. it was an expert play.
bigalt
04-18-2005, 01:32 AM
I've tried pulling this crap before and run into trouble more often than not.
if he's got a pocket pair he's going to call you down to the river most likely. the types of guys that are willing to try to bluff the pre-flop raiser are often willing to bluff-3-bet as well (which I assume you'd fold to).
my line would be, raise the flop, take a stab at the turn and check the river through.
edit: of course I probably try to pull it on the wrong people.
istewart
04-18-2005, 01:34 AM
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pf: you have a drawing hand just limp
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No way.
SCfuji
04-18-2005, 01:48 AM
why raise when we dont even have a pair? we should wait until we hit an ace or a ten.
deepsquat
04-18-2005, 01:53 AM
why is the raise on the turn better than on the flop? He doesnt have a pair on the turn either.
istewart
04-18-2005, 01:59 AM
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why raise when we dont even have a pair? we should wait until we hit an ace or a ten.
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Drunk? /images/graemlins/grin.gif
gvibes
04-18-2005, 02:10 AM
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why is the raise on the turn better than on the flop? He doesnt have a pair on the turn either.
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More fold equity, I think.
balkii
04-18-2005, 02:15 AM
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pf: you have a drawing hand just limp
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this is terrible advice. PF raise is fine.
balkii
04-18-2005, 02:17 AM
river bet is awful. you have A-high. he's not folding a better hand.
do you think he'll call on the river with a worse hand 55% of the time? i dont. easy check through on the river.
turn: i'd only raise if i thought villian was capable of releasing a 3 or a PP to my raise. they never do. I think calling all the way down is the best line if you cant trust this guy.
SCfuji
04-18-2005, 02:35 AM
why should hero raise
SomethingClever
04-18-2005, 02:58 AM
Blech. Okay.
I like the raise preflop. You're 7-handed... ATo is a great hand to raise first in there.
You could consider folding the flop. Unless SB is very aggressive.
You caught him on a bluff here, but I don't like this line against your typical, passive donk.
SomethingClever
04-18-2005, 03:00 AM
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why should hero raise
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omfg you must be joking.
dood, it's 7-handed. ATo is a monster.
Aaron W.
04-18-2005, 11:52 AM
Are you trying to make him fold a hand better than AT or do you think he's trying to bluff his way through this pot? If it's the latter, you played it horribly.
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