TP4K on Flop

[RacersEdge]

Button a pretty good player - table fairly loose - somewhat aggressive.

I limp in MP3 with J /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif along with BB , MP1, MP2, Button (5 players)

Flop: 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/club.gif

Checked to me - I bet - Button, MP1, MP2 call (4 Players)

Turn: K /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Checked to me again...what's my plan from here on out?

[Piiop]

Preflop limp - bad.

Flop bet - good.

Turn - bet.

[Harv72b]

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Preflop limp - bad.

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Why is this a bad limp third in from MP3?

[Piiop]

Cuz it's JTo in MP3, "somewhat aggressive table", and "pretty good player" acting after you.

[RacersEdge]

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Cuz it's JTo in MP3, "somewhat aggressive table", and "pretty good player" acting after you.

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Interesting PF stretegy - would like to hear more/others on it.

Anyway, given this hand as is and bet the turn, fold to a re-raise?

[Piiop]

Sounds good.

[Nick Royale]

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Interesting PF stretegy - would like to hear more/others on it.


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I would also fold pf, but the call ain't awfull IMO.

[HajiShirazu]

JTo is just a low equity hand in any sort of multiway pot against players with any sort of hand selection at all, and that includes fairly loose but not horrible players. It's really surprising how bad this hand does in showdown sims, and it's probably worse when it comes to actual expectation since it makes a lot of second best hands.
This is just a brief sim I did putting the opponents on a pretty loose range of hands, probably worse than what they actually would have.
7,301,069 games 29.112 secs 250,792 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 34.8281 % [ 00.33 00.02 ] { 99-22, A9s-A2s, KJs-K5s, QJs-Q7s, JTs-J7s, T9s-T7s, 98s-97s, 87s, 76s, AJo-A2o, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }
Hand 2: 33.8233 % [ 00.32 00.02 ] { 99-22, A9s-A2s, KJs-K8s, QJs-Q8s, JTs-J8s, T9s-T7s, 98s-97s, 87s-86s, 76s-75s, 65s, ATo-A2o, KQo-K8o, QJo-Q9o, JTo }
Hand 3: 31.3486 % [ 00.30 00.02 ] { JTo }

As it is bet the turn.

[RacersEdge]

Yeah, bet the turn is maybe even an easy decision at an agressive table, but at most passive games, you'll usually just get called all the way, costing you 2 BB instead of 1 if K is out there.

This applies to any flop of TP where an overcard hits the turn.

[TheHip41]

Actually, the pf call is really bad. I mean, I "might" limp ATo there, but not if it's a tight table, I might raise if I have control of the table.

KTo i'd muck in a heartbeat. QTo, I'd muck.

Why would you then call with JTo, if KT and QT aren't playable. THe fact that it's connected only goes so far.

If you play JTo from MP3, then why not 9To?