Bar dealer beats Shuffle Master?

[juanez]

A "Denver Poker Tour" dealer was at my table spewing all kinds of "I'm a stud because I work for the DPT" stuff. It was pretty humorous. The DPT does free tournaments at bars all over town. You win a t-shirt or something....whoopee.

Anyway, he comments on the Shuffle Master in my table saying, "I hate those machines. They just slow the game down." Another dealer from another casino was sitting next to this guy and was like "You have to be kidding me" and then schooled him as to the financial reality that the casino makes more $ from rake from the increased number of hands per hour, and that's why they are there. Plus the benefit of saving dalers hands, etc., etc.

DTP guy insists it isn't true and says, "I can get more hands out. I know I can shuffle faster than having to open up that machine and take the cards out."

It takes maybe 2 or 3 seconds to put the used deck in and remove the shuffled deck, cut and begin pitching. LOL

What was that fairy tale about a guy who tried to beat the machine at digging a tunnel through a mountain - he beat the machine, but died in the process. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jokerthief]

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What was that fairy tale about a guy who tried to beat the machine at digging a tunnel through a mountain - he beat the machine, but died in the process. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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That would be the legend of John Henry. There are many John Henrys in Denver.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I can shuffle fast, but I ain't tryin' to pull a John Henry against a shuffle master. Gimme a friggin' break already!

Shuffle masters kick A$$ and should be installed on every table in the known universe.

al

[Randy_Refeld]

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Anyway, he comments on the Shuffle Master in my table saying, "I hate those machines. They just slow the game down."

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What I have seen are some dealers that will sit and wait instead of shuffling if the deck isn't ready.

[shmahappens]

I love how they have all these tables at turningstone with a place for the shufflemaster, but without the actual machine. It's like the picked up all their tables off the side of the road that had already been scavenged for the wortwhile parts.

[PhredsVBF]

. . .And yet another example of the jackassery that is the Denver Poker Tour.

[juanez]

What I have seen are some dealers that will sit and wait instead of shuffling if the deck isn't ready.

I too have seen this. In the unlikely event of a rapid mass-folding where it's folded all the around to the BB, I will hand shuffle. Most times the machine finishes before me anyway, but I will still complete the hand shuffle and use that deck. Sitting there waiting looks REALLY bad.

[smoore]

c'mon juanez... have you ever actually seen that in a colorado nofoldem game? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I've never been to a DPT event but I've dealt bar tournaments before and there's no way I'm faster than a shufflemaster. I have to shuffle the cards instead of just swapping the decks. What a tool.

[worm33]

There are definitly dealers who are faster than the shufflemaster, especicialy when you factor in red lights chops and button steals.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

There are shufflemasters at most Canterbury tables. When the blinds chop (rare), they will hand shuffle. Typically the shuffler is still done before they are. It just looks bad for a dealer to sit there.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

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There are definitly dealers who are faster than the shufflemaster, especicialy when you factor in red lights chops and button steals.

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You think maybe they've studied this?

[Randy_Refeld]

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There are definitly dealers who are faster than the shufflemaster, especicialy when you factor in red lights chops and button steals.


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Any dealer can shuffle faster than the machine. But any dealer can be helped by the machine, when there is a red light or chop or whatever the dealer shuffles and deals so he hasn't lost any time useing the machine and gains whenever it has a deck ready for him to deal instead of shuffling.

[worm33]

try playing less than 6 handed with a shufflemaster....loads of fun.

[Spook]

at Greektown in Detroit, they wont pay the BBJ if it is a hand shuffle.

[youtalkfunny]

The stupidest (most stupid?) house rules always relate to the BBJ.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY NOT PAY A JP BECAUSE THE DECK WAS SHUFFLED BY HAND??? That's how cards have been shuffled for 1000 years.

Why institute a rule that does nothing but slow down the game?

[stinkypete]

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There are definitly dealers who are faster than the shufflemaster, especicialy when you factor in red lights chops and button steals.

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why are these machines so slow?

[juanez]

Yeah, this is the whole point. Of course most (any?) dealer can shuffle faster that the 30+ seconds it takes a Shuffle Master to do it. But most hands take more than the time required for the machine to shuffle. So.....the cards are typically ready to go instantly after the previous hand is complete, thereby eliminating the time needed for the dealer to shuffle BETWEEN hands. The machine is shuffling DURING the previous hand.

The point here is that this guy insisted that the machines "slow the game down", which is totally wrong plain and simple. They obviously speed the game up. On occasion a hand may be delayed due to mechanical difficulties and now and then a dealer may have to hand shuffle due to a hand finishing before the machine is done, but in the long run the games are faster for sure with a Shuffle Master. I love these things.

[boondockst]

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why are these machines so slow?

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seriously? you want a machine to somehow shuffle cards faster than a human without marring or marking the cards in anyway, without making any kind of noise that you'd complain about, without vibrating the table, and at a cost that any casino could afford? I'm guessing your not an analyst or consultant of any kind for your dayjob....