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Harv72b
04-16-2005, 10:36 AM
This one's been bugging me a bit from the other night. UTG+2 is one of those "any two will do" types, and has shown some bizarre postflop aggression in past hands (bluff raising the river with Q high stands out). This is not a limp I typically make, but the table had been extremely loose, and not a lot of raising going on after multiple limpers.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 14 BB, between Hero and UTG+2.</font>
Schizo
04-16-2005, 10:50 AM
15/30???

Holy cow??? Weren't you at 3/6 a month ago?
Harv72b
04-16-2005, 10:52 AM
The SS OIC.

I was rapidly working my way up to the 50 BBs there until the suckoutfest that was last night. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Schizo
04-16-2005, 11:00 AM
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The SS OIC.

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The challenge that everyone has been talking about?

What does OI stand for and what are the exact rules of the challenge?
That guy
04-16-2005, 11:02 AM
vs a crowd like this, I fold 2nd pair mediocre kicker on the flop... peeling one isn't too bad though but then I would fold the turn given the small pot size. since you continued, I would raise but not cap the river.
Jeff W
04-16-2005, 11:18 AM
Did you read description of UTG+2? Everyone but UTG+2 folded to a flop bet.
That guy
04-16-2005, 11:21 AM
Did you read description of UTG+2?

yes, I think this is a clear fold without that and continuing is reasonable given this description... but folding is reasonable too given the pot size... even donks can make top pair or beat a ten kicker.
Jeff W
04-16-2005, 11:26 AM
Sure, but they can also make Q4-high and bet every street with nothing. It's about hand ranges.
That guy
04-16-2005, 11:44 AM
It's about hand ranges

and pot size.

I can understand why you might continue here. I wasn't at the table so I don't know, maybe I would make the same play... this is a marginal situation and so either decision is reasonable... when that is the case, I let the size of the pot guide me... to each his own.
Jeff W
04-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Yes, it is about pot size. You have middle pair, decent kicker in a 6 SB pot, getting 2:1 effective odds to call down against an overaggressive 100% VPIP player.
Harv72b
04-16-2005, 12:29 PM
In fairness, his VPIP wasn't 100--there were a few times when nobody raised his blind. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

The whole hand just felt icky, though...I hate check/calling. I should also clarify--he wasn't a maniac, betting/raising anything &amp; everything. He just picked some really weird &amp; random times to bluff. To be honest, I was kind of hoping an LP player would raise &amp; give me an excuse to fold the flop.
Harv72b
04-16-2005, 12:33 PM
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The challenge that everyone has been talking about?

What does OI stand for and what are the exact rules of the challenge?

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You know what? I have no idea what the OI stands for...I just see it typed everywhere so I go with the flock. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

In a nutshell, start at .50/1 &amp; work your way up. Every time you win 50 BBs at a level, you move up to the next one. If you lose 25 BBs (net) at a level, you move back down. If at any point you end up with overall net loss for your challenge hands, you start over. There's a thread on the general Hold'Em forum chronicling everyone; as far as I know, I'm the only one on 15/30 so far.
Harv72b
04-16-2005, 03:12 PM
Just to wrap this one up, Villian showed J9 (offsuit, of course) for the FH, and MHING. I still can't think of any reason not to have check/raised the river, but that does have me reconsidering my decision to cap it.
Spook
04-16-2005, 03:43 PM
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What does OI stand for and what are the exact rules of the challenge?

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that would be, open internet
Harv72b
04-16-2005, 04:00 PM
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that would be, open internet

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O. IC. /images/graemlins/grin.gif