Quality of media

[cianosheehan]

It'd be nice to get an international debate going here on the condition and quality of the worlds media. The thought came to me when thinking that the best poker programme I PERSONALLY have seen is Late Night Poker on Channel 4, an English station. Even though I havent seen heard or read a lot of American based media, my impression is that it is very shallow, very uninformative, and very biased. Certainly when compared to British and European media content which seems to be more liberal and objective.

Thoughts?

[nolanfan34]

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Even though I havent seen heard or read a lot of American based media, my impression is that it is very shallow, very uninformative, and very biased.

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I think it's going to be hard to convince you of anything either way, if the above is the case. This seems more appropriate for the politics forum, or OOT as well.

[cianosheehan]

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This seems more appropriate for the politics forum, or OOT as well.

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That is probably true actually...

[Ianco15]

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Even though I havent seen heard or read a lot of American based media, my impression is that it is very shallow, very uninformative, and very biased.

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Even though you haven't seen or heard a lot of American based media, you feel qualified to make a very generalized, and somewhat ridiculous statement about it?


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Certainly when compared to British and European media content which seems to be more liberal and objective.

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You're certain? Even though you admit your experience with American based media is very limited, you are sure that British and European media is more liberal and objective? I agree with you about one part of this statement; British media, in particular the BBC, is extremely liberal. That's not a good thing. If a station is "liberal" that means it adopts a liberal point of view and therefore cannot be "objective." You're statement is contradictory.

[Edge34]

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the best poker programme I PERSONALLY have seen is Late Night Poker

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This really screws up a lot of it - I've seen Late Night Poker and found it dry and not entertaining in the least...maybe it was just me though...

[cianosheehan]

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dry and not entertaining in the least...maybe it was just me though...

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Thats part of my point. It seems any other poker programme I have seen is too hyped up and takes away from the game. Even the ESPN coverage of the world series, the commentary trys to make gripping something that isnt VISUALLY gripping. Poker is not a visually entertaining game, thats why it seems their commentators try and fill in the gaps, whereas Late Night Poker does not try to dumb down the game, and the commentary is more in tune with the game IMO.

[cianosheehan]

Ianco, you are very quickly jumping to conclusions and taking words out of my mouth. My sentence clearly places me at a non-qualified position, but more an opinionated position. In fact, both sentences you have quoted are not taking any firm stand point, but only what I have gathered as a personal perspective. I have not claimed qualification in either statement.

[blaze666]

i like american poker media myself over british, even though i am british. it's the same with everything. we have humble trisha, and the americans go way over the top with jerry springer.we have humble cricket, and the americans have baseball. the americans love going over the top, and you gotta love the americans commentators going crazy, and screamin. that's why i find british poker slightly more boring than american. the americans have a skill for hyping something up, and turning into something really exiting.

[FeliciaLee]

Oddly enough, I'm American and think LNP was the best poker show to date.

I just want to see poker, I'm not interested in the gossip and hype about certain players. The kind of thing I want to hear are discussions about the play of a hand and/or interviews with players that discuss their best game, their A game, what they play every day, what they are great at playing and makes them money.

Perhaps that is why I have the old WSOP tapes and enjoy them so much more than the more modern shows. I want poker, I don't want to hear about the type of cigar a player smokes, how many divorces he's been through since taking up poker, how many kids he's left behind and his 30k per session craps addiction.

Just my own personal preference, nothing wrong with feeling the opposite about poker shows.

Felicia /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[PairTheBoard]

The Best Poker show I've seen was the one on Fox Sports where they telecast the action LIVE. It got down to Heads Up with the blinds still small enough for another 2 hours or so of real poker. I believe Phil Ivey was one of the final two. It showed ALL the action with all the punching and jabbing and Folding. You actually got a feel for how one player was outplaying the other at real Poker.

The current plethora of poker shows dominated by commercials and Hype sprinkled with Lottery Ball Drawing "All In Moments" is just getting boring for me. I think it will be getting boring for the general TV watching public before much longer as well.

PairTheBoard

[chrisdhal]

Agreed. The Turning Stone event (the one you're referring to) between Ivey and D'Agustino was incredible. Championship Poker at the Plaza was pretty good too. Oh, and the one where Daniel N and Freddy Deeb went heads up for a long time was good.

Personally, I liked LNP. I don't think it was the best, and Jesse May DID try to put excitement into the show, he just did it by whispering really loudly.

Certainly some of the televised poker is over the top, but you have to remember that the networks are interested in numbers. The people who "just want poker" is small compared to the number that may watch it if they hear about somebody's craps addiction. I'm of the mind that it's all good if it gets people to play. If you don't like the commentary, you can hit the "mute" button.

That all being said, the current PSI2 is terrible TV, but it's due to the structure.

[Lawrence Ng]

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Perhaps that is why I have the old WSOP tapes and enjoy them so much more than the more modern shows. I want poker, I don't want to hear about the type of cigar a player smokes, how many divorces he's been through since taking up poker, how many kids he's left behind and his 30k per session craps addiction.

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Lawrence

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi cianosheehan:

I agree with you. I think a lot of these shows are lacking and could be much better. On the other hand they have been more successful than anyone thought possible. So they must be doing something right.

Best wishes,
Mason

[LargeCents]

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the BBC, is extremely liberal. That's not a good thing.

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What's bad about being liberal?

[Ianco15]

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the BBC, is extremely liberal. That's not a good thing.

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What's bad about being liberal?

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I didn't say it was bad for people to be liberal. The media should try to be objective.