Bonds vs. Woods

[istewart]

This might not be even close, but I thought it was a bit interesting.

In 2040, whether you're a father, a grandfather, or other, whom are you talking to your kids about (reminiscing about) more?

[Edge34]

Even having Bonds in this poll is a joke.

That said, I'm talking about Tiger...right after I finish with Jordan and Montana.

[scotty34]

My dad and other older relatives always talk about the days of Nicklaus, Hogan, Sneed, Player, Palmer or whoever happened to be a star when they were growing up. I don't think once I have ever heard them reminiscing about Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle.

[PokerFink]

With regards to who is the more dominating athlete, a good argument could be made for both.

For who I will remember more fondly, that's a joke. I don't even like golf, but I still watch Tiger on sundays.

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This might not be even close, but I thought it was a bit interesting.

In 2040, whether you're a father, a grandfather, or other, whom are you talking to your kids about (reminiscing about) more?

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I voted Woods, based on the assumption that he would eventually become "the greatest golfer, ever". However, if he retires by age 35, short of Nicklaus' career major record, AND Bonds goes on a steroid-induced nine-state killing spree followed by his head enlarging in prison to a size sufficient to knock the Earth of its current axis, I would like to change my vote.*




* - ...and I'm a Giants fan.

[istewart]

Well the "reminiscing about" part was bad. It's not really about who you would remember more fondly. Just for pure entertainment/sport value. Don't turn this into a steroid debate /images/graemlins/grin.gif

In that case, what about Woods vs. Jordan? Does Jordan win that easily?

[wayabvpar]

When my grandkids ask me about Bonds, they will get an introduction into 'adult language'.

[tdarko]

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My dad and other older relatives always talk about the days of Nicklaus, Hogan, Sneed, Player, Palmer or whoever happened to be a star when they were growing up. I don't think once I have ever heard them reminiscing about Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle.

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this is dependant on who your father is. i never heard of Nicklaus, Hogan, Sneed, Player, Palmer from my father but i did hear stories about mantle, jim palmer, brooks robinson (he was a big oriole fan) etc.

this poll is like asking, "what sport do you like better, baseball or golf?" with that said i will be talking about of them because they are both dominant.

[istewart]

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"what sport do you like better, baseball or golf?"

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This is a good chunk of it, but what Woods has done for golf changes it a bit.

[BWebb]

I voted Bonds. I know Woods will be the runaway winner here, but I'll go Bonds. 35 years from now, baseball will still be America's pasttime and will have the richest history of all sports (do to media, statistics, documenations, etc.). In addition, Bonds (love him, hate him, whatever) has done the most amazing things I have or will ever see on the baseball field. Time has treated other "unliked" superstars well (Cobb, Williams, Maris, etc.). I think the same will be said for Bonds.

[PokerFink]

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"what sport do you like better, baseball or golf?"

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To an extent, but I'm a big baseball fan and I don't like golf very much (playing or watching) but I still voted Tiger.


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Time has treated other "unliked" superstars well (Cobb, Williams, Maris, etc.). I think the same will be said for Bonds.


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VERY good point. And Bonds is arguably better than all of them, Bonds vs Williams is a good argument.

[InchoateHand]

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to come up with better things than either of these to bore my grandchildren with. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[istewart]

Don't post the [censored] Jessica Biel picture again, lol.

[HDPM]

Woods and its not close.

[tdarko]

i didn't vote b/c i need another option, one that allows me to choose "i will talk about both."

no doubt tiger is the michael jordan of his sport...but so is bonds. i know that this will piss people off and thats fine. yes even if he says today, "i have used steroids for the last 4 years so eat me." he would still be the most dominant player in the game and he has changed the way the game is played when he is in there. only ruth has done this.

another argument is that no matter the steroid use you cannot change what he has done, he still had to do it. there are plenty of players i could name that used steroids his entire career and i doubt you would even know who they are.

i respect tiger more obviously but as a fan of sports and accomplishments i will have to talk about both. i might mention about how hot tiger's wife is too /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mcb]

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I'm talking about Tiger...right after I finish with Jordan and Montana.

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[InchoateHand]

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Don't post the [censored] Jessica Biel picture again, lol.

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Well you brought up the discussion of "Wood". /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Sponger15SB]

I anticipate still hating Barry Bonds with a passion in 40 years, but its gotta be tiger.

I'll start out by showing him his chip on the 16th

[scotty34]

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I anticipate still hating Barry Bonds with a passion in 40 years, but its gotta be tiger.

I'll start out by showing him his chip on the 16th

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Before that chip, I never thought it was possible to jump up, cheer, and yell while watching golf.

[tdarko]

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Before that chip, I never thought it was possible to jump up, cheer, and yell while watching golf.

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yup, first time i went nuts watching golf.

[adamstewart]

Tiger...not even close.

[trotski]

is it possible to hate them both equally? I'll be telling my grandkids about Brett Favre.

[nolanfan34]

I voted for Tiger.

The bottom line is, while Bonds will end up with great "counting" stats, few of those were really that memorable. I can remember his mammoth HR he hit off of Percival in the WS, but what else stands out?

Tiger on the other hand, has the advantage that golf provides a ton of easily memorable moments. The lore surrounding things like Watson's chip in on 17, etc, are easy to re-tell compared to a HR that someone hit.

[Jack of Arcades]

Both.

[Jack of Arcades]

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The bottom line is, while Bonds will end up with great "counting" stats, few of those were really that memorable. I can remember his mammoth HR he hit off of Percival in the WS, but what else stands out?

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His pure dominance of the National League for 13 years stands out...

[tdarko]

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I voted for Tiger.

The bottom line is, while Bonds will end up with great "counting" stats, few of those were really that memorable. I can remember his mammoth HR he hit off of Percival in the WS, but what else stands out?

Tiger on the other hand, has the advantage that golf provides a ton of easily memorable moments. The lore surrounding things like Watson's chip in on 17, etc, are easy to re-tell compared to a HR that someone hit.




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yes, tiger has more memorable moments but a non-team sport allows this opportunity better than a team sport.

think about it this way, anytime there is a pressure situation in golf its always going to be up to that individual golfer whereas in baseball barry might not be up to bat in that situation, its just that you have less chances with 8 others in the lineup.

definately not taking anything away from tiger b/c he goes down in the top 5 IMO when it comes to top pressure players ever.

[InchoateHand]

I really expected your response to be both at the same time.


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[BWebb]

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I'll start out by showing him his chip on the 16th

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Still haven't seen this.

[nolanfan34]

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The bottom line is, while Bonds will end up with great "counting" stats, few of those were really that memorable. I can remember his mammoth HR he hit off of Percival in the WS, but what else stands out?

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His pure dominance of the National League for 13 years stands out...

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Right, and after you say that, what else do you say?

I am a fan of what Bonds has accomplished. I just can't think of many memorable moments that he's provided. This of course is different if you're from SF, saw a lot of games, etc.

[tdarko]

man i am dense, sorry for the let down...just sucked out with Queens against Aces and the guy was pissed so of course i needled him a little bit and was distracted from the threads.

oh and sorry for the XXXXX content.

["spaceman"Bryce]

I voted Tiger Woods.That is all.

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I do not think Bonds will break Hank Aaron's homerun record and may not even pass Babe Ruth. You don't have many conversations about the #3 homerun hitter of all time.

[Jack of Arcades]

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I do not think Bonds will break Hank Aaron's homerun record and may not even pass Babe Ruth. You don't have many conversations about the #3 homerun hitter of all time.

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So you never talk about Mays, Dimmaggio, Mantle, Gehrig, Foxx, Shoeless Joe, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Eddie Collins, Willie McCovey, Mike Piazza, Alex Rodriguez...

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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When my grandkids ask me about Bonds, they will get an introduction into 'adult language'.

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As in, "Barry Bonds was so [censored] sweet that any [censored] who ever talked [censored] about him were giant sacks of [censored]?" Yeah, me too.

[ucfryan]

Without a doubt Tiger Woods.

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I do not think Bonds will break Hank Aaron's homerun record and may not even pass Babe Ruth. You don't have many conversations about the #3 homerun hitter of all time.

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So you never talk about Mays, Dimmaggio, Mantle, Gehrig, Foxx, Shoeless Joe, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Eddie Collins, Willie McCovey, Mike Piazza, Alex Rodriguez...

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Not never, but not often.

[jesusarenque]

Bonds

[Jack of Arcades]

Which of the following are you talking about?

Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Tom Seaver, Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Sandy Koufax, Warren Spahn...

[Phoenix1010]

Ehh, I'm not a huge fan of either sport but I think sports recognition in general depends a lot on actually winning. You can't be recognized as "dominating the game" unless you're racking up championships. Tiger has been winning all of the major titles, Bonds still doesn't have a single world series ring. I think 2002 was Barry's last chance to get the everlasting recognition that Woods, Jordan, Bird, Sampras, Montana, and others enjoy. He will have the luxury of owning the homerun record for the forseeable future, but he will never reach the icon status of Tiger Woods.

-Phoenix

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Which of the following are you talking about?

Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Tom Seaver, Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Sandy Koufax, Warren Spahn...

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Cy Young, Nolan Ryan would be the most likely topics of converasation excluding currents events which would then include johnson, martinez etc.

[willie]

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I'll start out by showing him his chip on the 16th

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Still haven't seen this.

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i may be going out on a limb, but i think it's the most amazing golf shot/read ever.


i watched it live and was pumped up for about 20 hours.....it was unreal.


woods in a walk, and i have played golf about 14 times in my life.


bonds is definitely the best player of my generation- but i think tiger may be the best of all time in his sport.

[jesusarenque]

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Cy Young, Nolan Ryan would be the most likely topics of converasation excluding currents events which would then include johnson, martinez etc.

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Roger Clemens is better than Ryan, Johnson, and Martinez.

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Cy Young, Nolan Ryan would be the most likely topics of converasation excluding currents events which would then include johnson, martinez etc.

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Roger Clemens is better than Ryan, Johnson, and Martinez.

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I never said he wasn't. Ryan however is the all time strike outs leader, a record I saw broken, and something I am more likely to discuss 35 years from now then Roger Clemens, who like Bonds will be another "one of the greatest" players, yet not the all time leader at something.

I think you can make the case that Mays was a superior player to Aarron yet I think Aarron is discussed more.

[girgy44]

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Even having Bonds in this poll is a joke.

That said, I'm talking about Tiger...right after I finish with Jordan and Montana.

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Assuming it has been quoted before, but clearly...

[dsm]

Tiger, he's got the hotter wife.


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[jstnrgrs]

You people actually talk about golf? What a bunch of loosers.

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Cy Young, Nolan Ryan would be the most likely topics of converasation excluding currents events which would then include johnson, martinez etc.

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Roger Clemens is better than Ryan, Johnson, and Martinez.

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I never said he wasn't. Ryan however is the all time strike outs leader, a record I saw broken, and something I am more likely to discuss 35 years from now then Roger Clemens, who like Bonds will be another "one of the greatest" players, yet not the all time leader at something.

I think you can make the case that Mays was a superior player to Aarron yet I think Aarron is discussed more.

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Nolan never even won a Cy Young. He was never the best pitcher in his league, for even one year.

And you're right that he's the all time leader in strikeouts. I believe that he's also the all time leader in WALKS, with an average of three and a half per game pitched in.

[tolbiny]

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I'm talking about Tiger...right after I finish with Jordan and Brady .

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Yeah, and how Lebron won all those titles with the Knicks.

[tolbiny]

"So you never talk about Mays, Dimmaggio, Mantle, Gehrig, Foxx, Shoeless Joe, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Eddie Collins, Willie McCovey, Mike Piazza , Alex Rodriguez..."

How the hell did he get on this list?

[tolbiny]

I will be telling my grandkids about the Kirk Gibson HR. Jesus christ.

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"So you never talk about Mays, Dimmaggio, Mantle, Gehrig, Foxx, Shoeless Joe, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Eddie Collins, Willie McCovey, Mike Piazza , Alex Rodriguez..."

How the hell did he get on this list?

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Maybe because he's the best hitting catcher ever?

[tolbiny]

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"So you never talk about Mays, Dimmaggio, Mantle, Gehrig, Foxx, Shoeless Joe, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Eddie Collins, Willie McCovey, Mike Piazza , Alex Rodriguez..."

How the hell did he get on this list?

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Maybe because he's the best hitting catcher ever?

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so what? the reason he is "the best hitting catcher ever" is because the other duties of catching are far far more important than hitting. A good catcher who can also hit is a bonus.

[SGS]

Yea lets talk about the guy that did steroids. NO!

SGS

[TheBong]

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I do not think Bonds will break Hank Aaron's homerun record and may not even pass Babe Ruth. You don't have many conversations about the #3 homerun hitter of all time.

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Oh, he's just getting healthy. Everyone tends to forget he's still playing left field when most players of his caliber have gravitated to the American League to DH.

And screw the steroid debate too, there's far more pitchers than hitters on steroids, and lots of people are on them. Still gotta hit it, catch it, and throw it.

But - it's going to be Eldrick Woods first, although Barry will get his share, along with many other great athletes.

However, I'd rather tell my kids about players like Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, John Elway and Jerry Rice before either of them. Strictly because they've already reached their highest plateau's. Bonds and Woods aren't there yet.

[TheBong]

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Cy Young, Nolan Ryan would be the most likely topics of converasation excluding currents events which would then include johnson, martinez etc.

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Roger Clemens is better than Ryan, Johnson, and Martinez.

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Clemens is the best pitcher of the modern era. (For those who don't know an insane amount about the game, this was pretty much when teams had like 2 pitchers. Example: Cy Young has over 500 wins, Clemens has slightly over 300 in a longer career.)

Maddux is great, Pedro won't have the longevity, and Johnson bloomed too late. Nolan Ryan was my idol in my formative years, and now Clemens is definitely knocking him off that pedestal. Sure, he'll never match the K's or the no-hitters, but he'll have him in ERA, Wins, and Cy Youngs in a WALK. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Who is going to be very interesting to watch will be Mark Prior, and Oakland's former Big 3 in Zito, Mulder and Hudson to see if there's any 300 winners in there. If not, with the way the game is evolving we MAY have seen our final one.

[TheBong]

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Cy Young, Nolan Ryan would be the most likely topics of converasation excluding currents events which would then include johnson, martinez etc.

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Roger Clemens is better than Ryan, Johnson, and Martinez.

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I never said he wasn't. Ryan however is the all time strike outs leader, a record I saw broken, and something I am more likely to discuss 35 years from now then Roger Clemens, who like Bonds will be another "one of the greatest" players, yet not the all time leader at something.

I think you can make the case that Mays was a superior player to Aarron yet I think Aarron is discussed more.

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Honestly, other than perhaps Jackie Robinson for being the first black player in the majors - you will never ever hear more about any single ballplayer than Willie Mays.

Do it, go up to anyone that's 55-60 and ask them who the best player of all time was, odds on they say Willie Mays.

[bisonbison]

so what? the reason he is "the best hitting catcher ever" is because the other duties of catching are far far more important than hitting. A good catcher who can also hit is a bonus.

No.

[Jack of Arcades]

I don't know, I listed a bunch of people that were the best or near it at their position. Okay, let's add Johnny Bench and Carlton Fisk to the list.

[Jack of Arcades]

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so what? the reason he is "the best hitting catcher ever" is because the other duties of catching are far far more important than hitting. A good catcher who can also hit is a bonus.

No.

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Yeah, what he said.

Baseball people do irrational things and then come up with a bunch of different theories as to why they do them. See also: left handed catchers.

The fact of the matter is, all the shifting of below-average defensively catchers to other position (Matt LeCroy, Craig Wilson, Ben Petrick) has caused a dearth of bad hitting at catcher, to the point that the negative defensive value of Mike Piazza can in no way outnumber the value he brings to the table with his bat. In fact, you take someone with a league average bat, stick him behind the plate... if he catches a ball or two, he's probably an above-average catcher.

Well, that's exagerrating it a bit.

[Duke]

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I voted for Tiger.

The bottom line is, while Bonds will end up with great "counting" stats, few of those were really that memorable. I can remember his mammoth HR he hit off of Percival in the WS, but what else stands out?

Tiger on the other hand, has the advantage that golf provides a ton of easily memorable moments. The lore surrounding things like Watson's chip in on 17, etc, are easy to re-tell compared to a HR that someone hit.

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tolbiny covered this, but...

I think Kirk Gibson's WS HR with the Dodgers is more of a "moment" than any golf shot ever was. His '84 HR with the Tigers in game 5 is probably #2.

~D

[tolbiny]

I wasn't talking about defense as much as i was talking about handling pitchers/calling a game. This is less important now with free agency (for certain teams) as there are more staffs made entirely of veteran pitchers, but for teams with young pitching staffs a catcher who knows how to handle them is more important than one who can hit.

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And screw the steroid debate too, there's far more pitchers than hitters on steroids,

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How in the world could you possibly have come up with this?

[tbach24]

bonds...best baseball player of my life and its not close. plus i hate watching golf.