PDA

View Full Version : Muck 2 Pair here?


36offsuit
04-15-2005, 02:14 PM
3rd hand of the tournament, no reads

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1380)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1480)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1690)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t20, Hero calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t110) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t20</font>, MP3 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, UTG calls t100, MP1 calls t80, MP3 calls t80.

Turn: (t510) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t280</font>, UTG calls t280, MP1 calls t280, MP3 calls t280.

River: (t1630) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t1290 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t2920

Apathy
04-15-2005, 02:26 PM
Why do you think you are beaten on the river? MP3 certaintly does not have a deuce, if you are beat you were beat on the flop.

Listen, the most helpful advice you can be given here is play a lot tighter, miles tighter. Don't play A5s ever, i know i know, its soooted.

But still, just don't do it.

Sam T.
04-15-2005, 02:50 PM
Deep stacks, I don't mind the PF call, but it is extremely important that you don't forget that you're in this had for the flush, not top pair with the fourth worst kicker in poker. (And after the flop, it's the third worst kicker.)

I was about to flame you, but as I look at it...let me see if I have your thinking right:

-Preflop: Suited ace four-handed? You betcha! (I agree.)

-Flop: Minbets on that board? I'll make a bet, chase out the cheese, and win the pot now. You're all calling? WTF? I'm done with this hand. (I can see this as well.)

Turn: Changed my mind. Two pair looks pretty good here. Checked to me, bet a bit over half the pot to get out the flush draws. (Again, I agree.)

River: Someone just woke up. It's unlikely that anyone has a two here, so right now you're afraid of: 44, 55, 33 or AQ. I don't know what the buy-in is, but against competent opponents, none of these is particularly likely. AQ and 33 are going to bet the flop to protect against str8 and flush draws, and 44 &amp; 55 are going to fold to your bet.

Of course against weaker players, any of these hands are possible. You've been showing strength from the flop forward, and now someone says he doesn't care. As Harrington points out, bets usually mean what they say they mean, even when a brick hits the board. You have to fold.

Sam

Taraz
04-15-2005, 03:38 PM
I think I would throw it away. All those calls on the turn are scary. Someone could be slow playing the hell out of his hand . . . 55 maybe? It seems like you're still in decent shape if you fold.

With all that said, this is one of the reasons I don't like playing Ax suited. I used to always limp with them, but after advice from these forums I stopped. I realized that you don't gain much from playing these hands, but you can lose a lot. Hope that helps.