Betting Overcards

[mojobluesman]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

[@bsolute_luck]

i'd bet the river too. you're HU and no face cards have it or flush draw. i think betting the river might fold him, so you win more times than not in this situation.

[jrz1972]

I'd play it the same way you did -- SOP.

The reason I don't bet the river is that I expect to lose if I get called. At least in my experience, a lot of people will go all the way to showdown with crap like 55. I don't think I'm folding out a better hand often enough to make a bet worthwhile.

[mojobluesman]

He had Pocket 3s.

When he didn't fold the turn bet, I thought I was in trouble. Maybe he would have folded a river bet, but I think it would have cost me an extra $2.

[Sasnak]

grunch...

With no reads on CO I'm making him a calling station.

PF: Fine

Flop: Fine

Turn: Spew - CO is either paired or has the flush/straight draw. You're drawing to 6 outs of which the A/images/graemlins/spade.gif and Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif could make CO's flush, so you're down to 4 outs and CO isn't showing signs of folding.

River: Fine

[jrz1972]

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He had Pocket 3s.

When he didn't fold the turn bet, I thought I was in trouble. Maybe he would have folded a river bet, but I think it would have cost me an extra $2.

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Put yourself in the shoes of your opponent. You just called a turn bet. Would you now fold to a river bet?

As an exercise, the next several times you have AK or AQ or whatever and flop TP, look and see what your opponent calls the river with. It will be an eye-opening experience and it should make you less inclined to bet the river with unimproved overcards.

[Trix]

Get him to fold what ?

[Trix]

I like it.

If he has a pair, he will probably call the river after calling the turn, so checking and hoping for some busted draw is prefered.

[@bsolute_luck]

i don't see how betting the turn is spewing.

so he has a draw? why do you think he is on a flush draw or even a straight draw? he could be just waiting for some face card to hit.

[KaiShin]

I'd check behind on this river too.

[@bsolute_luck]

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Get him to fold what ?

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yes, that was a bad suggestion on my part. i'm still trying to curb my UI overcard play. i have a leak there, i know. sorry for the bad advice /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[jrz1972]

Yeah I'm fine with the turn bet too.

There are a lot of people out there who will merrily peel one off on the flop with anything but who will fold on the turn. Just becasue he called the flop doesn't mean you're not still ahead. Also, a turn bet might very well fold out bottom pair or somesuch if the turn did't help villian.

There's also another reason for betting the turn. If you bet the flop and then check behind on the turn, even Fishy McFish can find a river bet with rag-rag. I would far prefer to toss in a bet on the turn and get a free showdown on the river than check behind on the turn and have my opponent bet into me on the river.

[KaiShin]

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There's also another reason for betting the turn. If you bet the flop and then check behind on the turn, even Fishy McFish can find a river bet with rag-rag. I would far prefer to toss in a bet on the turn and get a free showdown on the river than check behind on the turn and have my opponent bet into me on the river.

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The only time I wouldn't bet the turn HU when checked to is when I have a made hand and wanted to induce a bluff from an opponent on the river, maybe one who is overly tight and folds too much but likes to try and steal pots with aggression. I have no idea where you'd find that kind of opponent at these limits though /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[mvoss]

I like the way you played this although it might be right to bet the river as well.

[MrEngenic]

I would do the same almost every time and fold to a turn raise almost every time. Checking the river is good, only a better hand will call you if you bet (well, there are exceptions).

[ArturiusX]

I like it all.

[NAU_Player]

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a turn bet might very well fold out bottom pair or somesuch if the turn did't help villian.

There's also another reason for betting the turn. If you bet the flop and then check behind on the turn, even Fishy McFish can find a river bet with rag-rag. I would far prefer to toss in a bet on the turn and get a free showdown on the river than check behind on the turn and have my opponent bet into me on the river.

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Exactly what I was about to post.

[keikiwai]

I agree betting the turn in this case is spewing. Usually bet the turn. But you do not have even four outs in this case.

You are up against CO. He entered an unraised pot. What can he have.... well JTo or JTs for starters. I'm not saying he does, but the flopped made sraight COMBINED w/ the flush draw on the turn just don't make it worth my while for the 2.75 BB in the pot after the flop betting is done.

I would probably bet the flop if the flush draw didn't appear.

[bonaparte]

You played this hand like I would play this hand. Hoping high card might take it if I can't force a fold

[sweave1]

i am terrible at over cards; i would have check folded the flop if he bet..i would check fold all the way down unless i paired up.

sweave1