Pocket JJs

[mojobluesman]

What do I do when the K falls?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

[FlopMe]

I would value bet the river here.

[teajay]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd bet the river here. Villain has shown 0 aggression. Other than that, looks nice to me.

Travis

[KaiShin]

Bet ze river.

[PokerProdigy]

Since you're heads-up I think the turn bet looks good.

[Trix]

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What do I do when the K falls?

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It actually doesn´t change much, except he will be more likely to think you have hit something, if he is thinking beeyond, whether you are bluffing or not.

Typically, he will call the flop with Ax,3x or a pocket pair.

He really doesn´t have much reason to call with one overcard, the king, but again this is 1/2, so he may call with about anything.

The river is a spot many new players mess up, though it´s actually pretty clear here.

He has called the flop and turn, which means that he probably has something he intends to showdown.

If you check, he will bet the Q or K if he has and check most other hands through.

If you bet he will call with anything he wanted to showdown, so you win more this way.

It´s often correct to bet when first to act on the river even though you think you will win far less than half the time when you get called, aslong as it has higher expectation than if you check and call(assuming that check-folding isn´t an option).

For more about this see HFAP, SSH or TOP.

On the river when first to act or out of position valuebet.

[mojobluesman]

He had K9d.

[@bsolute_luck]

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He had K9d.

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he got lucky. don't let this bother you or become result oriented.

[jrz1972]

Just keep betting until villian does something to slow you down.

[deception5]

I don't think you have any reason to fear the king - he never raises and he could very well be playing any pocket pair (especially on a paired board I wouldn't be surprised to see 22-TT here or even any unpaired ace or 3x. I think you have to keep betting here as there is too much chance you are ahead. A turn raise would slow me down but I'd probably still check/call the river. Without any aggression shown I'm betting the river here.

[MrWookie47]

That's the easiest river value bet in the world. A kitten died for this.

[benkath1]

OK I cheated and read the results first, but isn't this one of those situations where a bet could only cost you? When I get in these situations where someone is just calling me down I think he would only call me with a winner, and if he raises then what? check/call? bet/fold? Am I too weak, or is this a leak?

Ben

[FlopMe]

I've found that the majority of your opponents won't call here with just a winner, rather they will call with anything including J-high.

[Sasnak]

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grunching...

Curse the Poker Gods?!

From some of the previous replies to river action on my posted hands, I say check/call the river. You'll only get called if you're behind or worse yet raised. The rest looks fine to me. Bet the turn to see where you are when the K falls as it could be a scare card for him as well.

[Sasnak]

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OK I cheated and read the results first, but isn't this one of those situations where a bet could only cost you? When I get in these situations where someone is just calling me down I think he would only call me with a winner, and if he raises then what? check/call? bet/fold? Am I too weak, or is this a leak?

Ben

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You remind me of someone... oh yeah... me. I fail to see the 'value' in betting here as well and am patiently waiting for a reply to your post.

[grjr]

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OK I cheated and read the results first, but isn't this one of those situations where a bet could only cost you? When I get in these situations where someone is just calling me down I think he would only call me with a winner, and if he raises then what? check/call? bet/fold? Am I too weak, or is this a leak?

Ben

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You remind me of someone... oh yeah... me. I fail to see the 'value' in betting here as well and am patiently waiting for a reply to your post.

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Isn't this a read-dependent type situation on the river? You bet into the passive player and check to the aggressive player.

[Sasnak]

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OK I cheated and read the results first, but isn't this one of those situations where a bet could only cost you? When I get in these situations where someone is just calling me down I think he would only call me with a winner, and if he raises then what? check/call? bet/fold? Am I too weak, or is this a leak?

Ben

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You remind me of someone... oh yeah... me. I fail to see the 'value' in betting here as well and am patiently waiting for a reply to your post.

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Isn't this a read-dependent type situation on the river? You bet into the passive player and check to the aggressive player.

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Could be, but in my short "let's get serious about poker" stint it seems the passive is willing to call your bets so you'd better be ahead somewhere along the line, while a TAG could lay down. Still haven't quite got a solid read on a LAG though.

[MrEngenic]

I would definately bet the turn and expect him to either raise (and I fold) or fold. It's tough to know what he has when he only calls. I can't see any holding that a good player would play this way, and since he probably is bad I would value bet and expect to see something like TT or 99 or maybe a slowplay raise with a Q.
I can't see the suits of the cards though, maybe a flush draw is out there.

[MrWookie47]

I think you're assuming that you're up against a good player. You'll be called down with enough low pocket pairs, naked aces, JT, J9, or total garbage that not betting the turn and river here is a crime.

Just because he was holding the K doesn't mean your bet was wrong. Give him the ol' "nh," and be thankful he didn't raise and charge you an extra bet to see the showdown.