Good level of aggression?

[Perseus]

Villian is a TAG 19/10

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

[Demana]

Depending on the read of MP1 and villian's read of you, what about a preflop 3-bet?

[Chairman Wood]

very nice standard even. Do you have a post flop AF.

[Nick Royale]

I would fold preflop. The rest is fine, but cut the river action like this:

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River: (7.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

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[shant]

Is there any merit in checking the river and inducing a bluff?

[Perseus]

Can't remember to be honest.

How does PF look?

[Nick Royale]

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Depending on the read of MP1 and villian's read of you, what about a preflop 3-bet?

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How about a fold?

[Nick Royale]

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How does PF look?

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Pretty easy fold IMO.

[Chairman Wood]

I don't think so at all. I usually call this.

[Chairman Wood]

Yes, that is why i asked for AF

[Nick Royale]

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I don't think so at all. I usually call this.

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Ok. Since it will only be 2 opponents I think it's a fold. I can agree it's not a fold if TAG was in CO or button, but the risk of domination is too great and the added flush value is not enough against only 2 players.

[Chairman Wood]

He raised from MP2, wide range of hands here.

[Nick Royale]

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Yes, that is why i asked for AF

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AF tells you zip. We need a "real" read to check/call.

[Nick Royale]

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He raised from MP2, wide range of hands here.

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After a call and 5 players yet to act the range isn't very wide. He won't raise worse aces, that's for sure.

[Chairman Wood]

yeah you caught my bs

[Chairman Wood]

yeah i'm through giving bad advice, i'm going to bed.

[Nick Royale]

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yeah you caught my bs

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But I agree with your point, check/calling could be an option.

What's bs BTW?

[w_alloy]

I strongly feel it is incorrect to fold pre-flop here. You're getting 1-6.5, there are too many flops that could hit you. I think people sometimes go overboard with this "dominated ace" stuff.

[HajiShirazu]

I like this hand from start to finish, and I agree with the river bet, you'd be surprised how often ace high will call.

[Nick Royale]

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I strongly feel it is incorrect to fold pre-flop here. You're getting 1-6.5, there are too many flops that could hit you. I think people sometimes go overboard with this "dominated ace" stuff.

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5.5:1 that is, and I think it's a pretty easy fold.

[w_alloy]

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5.5:1 that is, and I think it's a pretty easy fold.

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mb, you're right.

Still, The odds of the flop looking good with this hand are better than 20%. This makes it worth it. Do I need to go over the chances that you'll flop a flush draw, a pair that is likely good (lots more ways that can happen than it might seem, as this hand helps illistrate), two pair (which you might have crzay implied odds on), three of a kind, etc.

Why do you keep saying this is a fold?

[elindauer]

First, fold preflop. Big mistake.

Second, Let's talk about the river. A tight player is not likely to arrive at a showdown with a hand you can a) beat, b) will call your bet. He's probably not raising in MP with a weaker seven, for example, and he's not likely to call the turn bet with just ace high. Therefore, your river bet has little value as a value bet.

It's also highly unlikely that this player would call your turn bet with a pair of tens and then fold to a river bet when the harmless looking five comes off. Therefore, your river bet has very little value as a bluff.

Hence, you should check the river.


Against your typical loose passive ATM, you definitely should bet the river, as there are all kinds of weaker seven, baby pocket pair, ace high type hands he could hold. Against this opponent though, it's probably wrong.

Good luck.
Eric