Turn trips

[ArturiusX]

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Preflop: is UTG with 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif, 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif .
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, checks, <font color="#CC3333">BontJamesBon bets</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls, folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BontJamesBon raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BontJamesBon caps</font>, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font> Hero????

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Dubious preflop call I know, bit of a misclick :P

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[AngelicPenguin]

I'll just call this river. If my kicker was a J+ I'd raise.

[ArturiusX]

Also a question for the newbies: Why did I cap this turn?

[crumpentunt]

Blind posting

I call the 3bet on the turn and call the river if bet into... I dont know, I just really dont like my kicker here. And I think more often than not he has me beat. Too weak tight?

[ArturiusX]

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Blind posting

I call the 3bet on the turn and call the river if bet into... I dont know, I just really dont like my kicker here. And I think more often than not he has me beat. Too weak tight?

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Think about my holding on the turn, and tell me why its strong enough to cap with.

[crumpentunt]

So you're capping on the turn because of your OESD? Or are you capping on the turn because you think your hand is best? Or a combination or both I guess? If you dont think your hand is best, then I dont understand the cap on the turn. You have 11 outs assuming he doesn't have a FH already, surely not enough to cap with?

Any comments appreciated.

[ArturiusX]

Don't be so sure he's hit trips. What are the odds he has the other 7? Then take into account we have a ton of outs vs another 7.

[topspin]

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Also a question for the newbies: Why did I cap this turn?

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Frankly I think your turn cap is a mistake. Unless villain is LAG here, you're up against a straight, a better 7, or a full house.

Straight:

Holdem Hi: 500000 sampled boards containing 7s 5c 4c 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 6c 205448 41.09 271934 54.39 22618 4.52 0.434
8h 6h 271934 54.39 205448 41.09 22618 4.52 0.566

Better 7:

Holdem Hi: 500000 sampled boards containing 7s 5c 4c 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 6c 193556 38.71 238100 47.62 68344 13.67 0.455
Ad 7d 238100 47.62 193556 38.71 68344 13.67 0.545

Set turned full house:

Holdem Hi: 500000 sampled boards containing 7s 5c 4c 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 6c 102820 20.56 397180 79.44 0 0.00 0.206
5s 5h 397180 79.44 102820 20.56 0 0.00 0.794

What hand do you put villain on that would give you &gt;50% equity in this hand?

[handsome]

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Also a question for the newbies: Why did I cap this turn?

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Are you kidding meeeeeeeee. You cap because you may have the best hand, you have an OESD and a redraw for the nuts. Call that river!

[ArturiusX]

Villians a LAG, of course.

Trips with a better kicker happens so infrequently that the extra outs I have to beat it makes it an easy cap.

Villains erratic.

[Redd]

Posting in the dark.

The hand is a little hard to follow, but I'm assuming that you're BontJamesBon?

I agree the pf call is dubious. I think after the turn is 3-bet I'd go into calldown mode if the opponent is reasonable. I doubt that your equity against the possible 3-betting hands (most of which beat you) is good enough to cap it HU.

Post thread-reading edit: Given the erratic/LAG read, I think a turn cap is ok. If he weren't LAGy, I think that topsin summed up your equity pretty well. Even if hand probabilities say you're rarely up against better trips or higher, the action in the hand suggests otherwise.

[ArturiusX]

Oh [censored], I thought I was on a flushy draw too.

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Yeah, calling the 3-bet would probably be better, although capping vs a lag isnt the worst move.

[crumpentunt]

I think it turns out to be very close between capping the turn or calling the 3bet. With the flush draw to go along with my OESD, I think capping the turn is the right play. I also agree that the mathematical probability of him having the other 7 or even a straight already is slim, the action suggests otherwise.

[topspin]

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Villians a LAG, of course.

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Against a LAG the turn cap can have value. This would be nice information to include in your hand post, btw /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Trips with a better kicker happens so infrequently that the extra outs I have to beat it makes it an easy cap.

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As a side comment, the turn cap has to be based on opponent read and not hand distribution probabilities -- those are useful only when you don't have any past action during the hand to adjust them with. Against a rational opponent, there just aren't any worse hands that he'll 3-bet you with on such a scary turn. Does a normal player gives this kind of action with a pair of 5's?

[ArturiusX]

I play shorthanded too, so the answer is yes , they do /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[topspin]

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With the flush draw to go along with my OESD

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Apparently OP needs to start making hand posts using a 4-color deck /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ArturiusX]

I do for party, but since I started on pokerroom I havent made that option change.

*Click* There we go /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[crownjules]

You capped, I would guess, because you're draw is huge. You already have top set, but you also have an OESD draw and redraws to a boat.

Outs: 1 for quads + 8 for OESD + 9 for a boat = 18 outs.

I think on the river I just call with only a 6 kicker. With SBs continued aggression, I have to consider that he too has a 7 that may outkick me.

[kong98]

Grunching...

Given that 3 of the 7's are out, I have a lot of trouble giving SB credit for the last 7. I'm thinking he's got a high pocket pair, possibly down to TT which would suck. But I think he's too aggressive for that.

He calls on the flop hoping to keep the BB in for more bets on the turn. He doesn't believe you have the other 7 on the turn, so he figures his two pair is good. On the river, he could possibly have trip-10s, but my gut tells me he's got a higher pair than that.

I would probably raise and call the 3-bet. (Of course my recent catastrophic losses have been with sets! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Kong98