Vorhaus on PokerTracker

[Pokey]

Killer Poker Online, pages 122-3:

"Dependence on book can be a tiny problem. You might become so reliant on having pertinent information at your fingertips that you no longer bother storing such data in your brain. Then, when you go into the b&ms, where having and keeping book is impractical, and possibly not even allowed, your lack of onboard information might work to your disadvantage."

This comment was written before PT even existed, but it's just so relevant that I had to mention it.

On a personal note, I think Killer Poker Online is a pretty crappy book, with much content that is outdated and much commentary that is pure fearmongering. Nonetheless, while the overall book leaves much to be desired, that doesn't mean that a wonderful player/writer like Vorhaus didn't throw some brilliant comments in here and there.

How important do you think this "PT erodes poker skills" worry is?

<font color="blue">Edit to correct my falsely attributing this book to Mike Caro instead of John Vorhaus. I'm a tool.</font>

[shant]

This isn't very accurate. I don't rely on PT so much that when I go to the B&amp;M I can't tell if someone is a LAG unless they had 45/30/6 floating over their head in neon-green Courier.

It takes less hands then it does with PT to get a read on B&amp;M players because there is only one table and they're sitting right there.

[CallMeIshmael]

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It takes less hands then it does with PT to get a read on B&amp;M players because there is only one table and they're sitting right there.

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Exactly. The reason we need PT is that we play 4-8 tables at once. One table, with 30 hands per hour, and I wouldnt need it.

[donger]

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Killer Poker Online, pages 122-3:

"Dependence on book can be a tiny problem. You might become so reliant on having pertinent information at your fingertips that you no longer bother storing such data in your brain. Then, when you go into the b&amp;ms, where having and keeping book is impractical, and possibly not even allowed, your lack of onboard information might work to your disadvantage."

This comment was written before PT even existed, but it's just so relevant that I had to mention it.

On a personal note, I think Killer Poker Online is a pretty crappy book, with much content that is outdated and much commentary that is pure fearmongering. Nonetheless, while the overall book leaves much to be desired, that doesn't mean that a wonderful player/writer like Caro didn't throw some brilliant comments in here and there.

How important do you think this "PT erodes poker skills" worry is?

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Didn't Jon Vorhaus write Killer Poker Online ?

[bobbyi]

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The reason we need PT is that we play 4-8 tables at once. One table, with 30 hands per hour, and I wouldnt need it.

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I would still need it. The reason I need PT is because it is hard to associate personalities with screennames. If I play tonight and there are two guys at my table named Joe87192 and Mike009182 and one of them is a maniac and the other is a rock, and then I played with one of them again for the first time a month from now, I probably wouldn't recognize the name, and if I did I wouldn't remember how he played. On the other hand, if I play with someone in a casino with whom I last played months ago, I will right away remember who he is and how he plays. Our brains are designed for remembering people's faces/ voices/ personalities and so forth. They are not designed for remembering these random strings of characters that identify people online.

[Pokey]

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Killer Poker Online, pages 122-3:

"Dependence on book can be a tiny problem. You might become so reliant on having pertinent information at your fingertips that you no longer bother storing such data in your brain. Then, when you go into the b&amp;ms, where having and keeping book is impractical, and possibly not even allowed, your lack of onboard information might work to your disadvantage."

This comment was written before PT even existed, but it's just so relevant that I had to mention it.

On a personal note, I think Killer Poker Online is a pretty crappy book, with much content that is outdated and much commentary that is pure fearmongering. Nonetheless, while the overall book leaves much to be desired, that doesn't mean that a wonderful player/writer like Caro didn't throw some brilliant comments in here and there.

How important do you think this "PT erodes poker skills" worry is?

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Didn't Jon Vorhaus write Killer Poker Online ?

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Oh yeah! No wonder it's so crappy. /images/graemlins/wink.gif Seriously, his first book is a fun and informative read, but this one left me completely unfulfilled.

My mistake, though: KPOnline is Vorhaus, not Caro.

[GrekeHaus]

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It takes less hands then it does with PT to get a read on B&amp;M players because there is only one table and they're sitting right there.

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Exactly. The reason we need PT is that we play 4-8 tables at once. One table, with 30 hands per hour, and I wouldnt need it.

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I agree. If you're still having trouble with this sort of thing, I recommend trying to play just one table at a time without using poker tracker for some of your poker playing time. Either that or just don't go to a B&amp;M ever.