UTG vs UTG+1

[jfresh]

through some liberal BB defense and loosening up a bit overall, i've managed to get my VPIP to ~22%, which i am relatively happy with. (this is 5/10). however, my UTG and UTG+1 VPIP are virtually the same (13.56% UTG, 13.76 UTG+1). what kind of hands do you add to UTG+1?

UTG+1 i raise down to 77/66, A9s, ATo, KTs, KJo, QJs, JTs... thats about all. any ideas of what to add?

[krishanleong]

I'll take a stab

A8s, A9o, KTo

Some of the hands you listed I raise UTG.

Krishan

[cartman]

5/10 (6 max).
I open-raise UTG and UTG+1 with all of the following. I know most here don't raise with the small suited Aces, but they are significantly profitable for me after about 35 trials with each one (80K total hands, during which I have employed various preflop strategies):

AT+, KT+, QJ+, Axs, K9s+, QTs+, 55+.

I don't feel like I have enough sample size to draw accurate conclusions about the differences between UTG vs UTG+1. Does anyone think my success with the small Axs is a fluke?

Cartman

[J.R.]

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Does anyone think my success with the small Axs is a fluke?

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yes

A9o < A2s??

[cartman]

I agree, it seems illogical. But I haven't raised enough with the offsuit Aces below A8 to know whether they are profitable or not. Maybe I should be raising with more of them instead of with less of the suited Aces? Here are all my Aces filtered for "Raised First In" and "between 2 and 3 off the button" and "Not a Blind". Where do you recommend that I draw the raise/fold lines for both suited and offsuit?

Hand/Times/Net/BBperhand
AKs/60/+595/+.99
AQs/55/+174/+.32
AJs/50/+48/+.10
ATs/41/+40/+.10
A9s/41/-109/-.27
A8s/38/-14/-.04
A7s/46/+127/+.28
A6s/34/-59/-.17
A5s/34/+132/+.39
A4s/29/+349/+1.20
A3s/34/+384/+1.13
A2s/33/-170/-.51

AK/152/+1588/+1.04
AQ/170/+576/+.34
AJ/184/+414/+.23
AT/101/+78/+.08
A9/54/-100/-.19
A8/35/+156/+.45
A7/8/+26/+.32
A6/1/-20/-2.00
A5/2/-14/-.70
A4/0/0/0
A3/3/+28/+.93
A2/2/-40/-2.00

I understand that 35 times is not enough to draw a conclusion about specifically A5s, for instance. But taken in context and grouped with similar hands to form a range may get the sample size to something worthy of some attention. For instance "A9s and below" is +642 on 289 occurences (+.22 BB/Hand). "A6s and below" is +638 on 164 occurences (+.39 BB/Hand). Are these samples simply to small to deserve consideration?

Any thoughts or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Cartman

[jfresh]

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I'll take a stab

A8s, A9o, KTo

Some of the hands you listed I raise UTG.

Krishan

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yeah while i was listing the UTG+1 hands i realized i raise almost all of those UTG as well... so there really isn't much of a difference, in theory or in practice.

[helpmeout]

A9o A7s 77 KTs KJo QJo

[krishanleong]

My VP$IP from UTG and UTG+1
UTG - 12.5
UTG+1 - 16

So there is a difference in my game. I don't raise KTo, A9o. QJo.
Krishan

[mperich]

for me, a6o+ sometimes a5o if the table is good. Suited aces, down to a5s probably altho maybe any suited ace. K9s, qto, kto, qjo. also table dependant (good tables) q9s, jto.

-Mike

[cartman]

Does anyone else show a profit raising with the small suited Aces UTG or UTG+1? Is the sample size that I posted above just too small?

Thanks,
Cartman

[mperich]

Im winning utg with all suited aces down to a5s inclusive. Im losing with a4-a2s from UTG, but for some reason I dont play them much at all (postly psychological, I will probably start to add them soon, since they are almost the same hand. Utg+1 Im winning with all suited aces down to a4s inclusive, except a7s.

-Mike