Two Hands Against a Muppet

[philnewall]

hand 1:

New to the table, and I don't have any relevant data on my opponents. The preflop cold-call and the river check/planning on calling 1 bet back to me are both questionable, whats interesting is that my opponent gave all that action with just a pair of 9s.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (22 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 22 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Jh Kh (high card, king).
UTG+1 has Ks 9c (one pair, nines).
Hero has 9s 9h (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 22 BB. </font>

Now, this is the very next hand, UTG+1 is UTG+1 from the last hand. Given the fact that he didn't jam up the flop or turn I didn't think top pair was all that likely, given his performance in the hand right before this. I therefore felt like middle/bottom pair was a lot more likely, and on the river when both of these are paired who goes for the last bet against this opponent?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

[J.R.]

hand #1 3-bet preflop

hand #2 bet the river

[Goodnews]

I don't think I would have bet either, even though I think you are good here, i think UTG+1 would have bet his 1 card boat, i put him a king with a weak kicker.

[Goodnews]

Why would you 3-bet preflop? JJ, TT along with AK, AQ and AJ. The only real indicators are a cap preflop which suggests AKs, QQ-AA and you will need more information later on.

Assuming that hero was against someone who had TT, JJ, AJo, AQo, and AKo, and flops unders, wouldnt you be in a position of being ahead/behind by alot?

[philnewall]

Even considering how he played the last hand? Given the relentless raising in hand 1, then the lead/calldown on hand 2 it seems like top pair is v. unlikely, and in that case the only other hand he could have that I beat is a pocket pair, which may have been counterfeited and not give me action.

[philnewall]

If I have been thinking straight I would have 3-bet preflop, given the 1/3 small blind cold-calling is bad as it lets other players in and I likely won't get odds on hitting a set. If the sb had been 1/2 or 2/3 I think the cold-call would have been better.

[chief444]

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think UTG+1 would have bet his 1 card boat, i put him a king with a weak kicker.

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Seems reasonable, but why wouldn't you bet then? I think the river bet in hand 2 is a must.

I think the river check in hand 1 is pretty close to a bet. The fact that you got so much action to that point makes it pretty unlikely that UTG+1 has an ace and the straight came in runner-runner.

[CanKid]

Hand 1, the ranges I had BB and UTG+1 on def. included hands with an A, I check/call

Hand 2 is a river bet - pay off a raise too

[CanKid]

BB stinks of hearts, Ah is the most likely card I felt was in his hand - do you disagree?

I think it's close, but a check.

[chief444]

I think it's possible. But I'm not sure why you feel it's most likely. From the BB he'll be playing a lot of suited combinations.

[CanKid]

His calling 2 more cold on the flop feels like big hearts to me.

[philnewall]

yes in Hand 1 I was fairly sure that UTG+1 did not have the A or the 6, it was the BB who I was most worried about. Bet and fold to a raise would have been a good river line, but in these 3/6 games you never can be sure what your opponents are gonna do.

[shant]

In hand 1, I would've bet and called a raise. Obviously we're not worried about UTG+1 because his most likely hand was a lower set or 2-pair. Without any relevant data, the BB could be a donk or have a lot of combos of flush draws so I think it's safe to bet.

[J.R.]

might a bunch of utter garbage call playing the board?

isn't his lack of agression telling

[J.R.]

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Why would you 3-bet preflop?

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why would u not?