Question on play of a hand on 25NL

[DMACM]

Did I misplay this river? I figured the chance of a flush was very high maybe I should have bet less then folded? Should i have pushed the turn or bet more? Thanks for looking.

***** Hand History for Game 1893525458 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Thursday, April 14, 10:56:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 36629 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: j_chamley ( $24.13 )
Seat 3: liquidice777 ( $21.75 )
Seat 5: carl_h ( $7.2 )
Seat 6: SitInBackRow ( $24.15 )
Seat 7: MixedHand ( $32.05 )
Seat 9: Chillgoon ( $42.1 )
Seat 10: slicexes ( $38.97 )
Seat 1: dobosz3 ( $24.15 )
Seat 8: stanforth ( $31.25 )
Seat 4: h00sierm0n ( $23.75 )
SitInBackRow posts small blind [$0.1].
MixedHand posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SitInBackRow [ Js Jh ]
stanforth folds.
Chillgoon folds.
slicexes folds.
dobosz3 folds.
j_chamley calls [$0.25].
liquidice777 folds.
h00sierm0n folds.
carl_h folds.
SitInBackRow calls [$0.15].
MixedHand checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Jd, Tc ]
SitInBackRow bets [$0.75].
MixedHand calls [$0.75].
j_chamley raises [$1.5].
SitInBackRow raises [$2.25].
MixedHand folds.
j_chamley calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
SitInBackRow bets [$7].
j_chamley calls [$7].
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
>You have options at Table 36596 Table!.
SitInBackRow bets [$10].
j_chamley is all-In [$13.88]
SitInBackRow calls [$3.88].
SitInBackRow shows [ Js, Jh ] three of a kind, jacks.
j_chamley shows [ 4c, 7c ] a flush, ten high.
j_chamley wins $46.81 from the main pot with a flus

[AllIn3High]

Raise pre-flop, raise more on the flop and the push the turn.

Next time use a converter, it makes for a prettier hand /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[swolfe]

with 1 limper, i'd raise that preflop

don't re-minraise on the flop...make it $6

[DMACM]

Thanks for the advice. Assuming I did make those mistakes on earlier streets would you play the river differently?

[tdarko]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($24.15)
MP2 ($24.13)
MP3 ($21.75)
CO ($23.75)
Button ($7.2)
Hero ($24.15)
BB ($32.05)
UTG ($31.25)
UTG+1 ($42.1)
UTG+2 ($38.97)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.1.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.75</font>, BB calls $0.75, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls $1.50.

Turn: ($7.50) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP2 calls $7.

River: ($21.50) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Hero calls $3.88.

Final Pot: $35.38

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Js Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
MP2 has 4c 7c (flush, ten high).
Outcome: MP2 wins $35.38. </font>

not much you can do here, you were letting him make the mistakes and he just caught. it happens.

[tdarko]

i would raise preflop too but $6?? that is 24X the BB and nobody is calling that unless they have you beat, i would raise to $1 and $2 being the max.

[swolfe]

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i would raise preflop too but $6?? that is 24X the BB and nobody is calling that unless they have you beat, i would raise to $1 and $2 being the max.

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i said to raise the flop to $6

[AncientPC]

When someone plays back at you on a flop like that you need to reraise hard. There are a lot of cards you don't want to see.

[tdarko]

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i said to raise the flop to $6

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$6? with .25C BB? dont you think that raise is stilll excessive?

[mason55]

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i said to raise the flop to $6

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$6? with .25C BB? dont you think that raise is stilll excessive?

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After villain min-raises your $0.75 bet to $1.50, I don't think $6 is excessive at all.

[tdarko]

yeah i guess you're right $6 is a little less than twice the pot which is a very bad price for them to call.

[mason55]

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yeah i guess you're right $6 is a little less than twice the pot which is a very bad price for them to call.

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Yes, plus, it makes the pot big enough to make pushing the turn against villain only a small overbet, which I think is more important.

Your slight overbet will look like you're trying to push him out. If he folds, fine, you have a nice pot, and if he calls you have serious equity in this pot. I'm raising more on the flop for future streets, not even so much to give them a bad price to draw.

[TrailofTears]

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Yes, plus, it makes the pot big enough to make pushing the turn against villain only a small overbet, which I think is more important.

Your slight overbet will look like you're trying to push him out. If he folds, fine, you have a nice pot, and if he calls you have serious equity in this pot. I'm raising more on the flop for future streets, not even so much to give them a bad price to draw.

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Sometimes it is very important to look at the pot relative to stack sizes and future betting rounds, not only the current situation. Mason has a very good point, as making a smaller raise here leaves hero with too much in his stacks (or too little in the pot) to make a push seem reasonable (read: not a huge overbet). This is one of the aspects of pot control that should be thought about more carefully when making your bets/raises.

-Trail

[mason55]

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Mason has a very good point

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We're looking like a gay couple tonight /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[tdarko]

gay couples teach pot equity/control the best /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[TrailofTears]

Well there are about seven people online right now and only two posting responses to hands. It just happens that it is us two and that you are making some very good posts that I agree with.

That, and the smell of your musk drives me wild.

-Trail /images/graemlins/wink.gif