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JasonP530
04-14-2005, 11:57 AM
I was really thinking of folding this one, given some posts I had read recently. I just couldnt fold two Jacks when I thought I had good folding equity. I found I have been bubbling a lot more lately, so maybe this is someplace to improve. Please let me know what you think I should have done.

***** Hand History for Game 1893619396 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 11292254) - Thu Apr 14 11:43:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 11739 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: hero (2230)
Seat 2: jimithing213 (1500)
Seat 4: squidgy200 (3280)
Seat 5: flyinJake (2990)
hero posts small blind (100)
jimithing213 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Jd, Jc ]
squidgy200 raises (500) to 500
flyinJake folds.
hero raises (2130) to 2230
hero is all-In.
jimithing213 folds.
squidgy200 calls (1730)
Creating Main Pot with $4660 with hero
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, Qd, Th ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ac ]
** Summary **










Main Pot: 4660 |
Board: [ Qc Qd Th 4h Ac ]
hero balance 0, lost 2230 [ Jd Jc ] [ two pairs, queens and jacks -- Ac,Qc,Qd,Jd,Jc ]
jimithing213 balance 1300, lost 200 (folded)
squidgy200 balance 5710, bet 2230, collected 4660, net +2430 [ Jh Kh ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ac,Kh,Qc,Jh,Th ]
flyinJake balance 2990, didn't bet (folded)

citanul
04-14-2005, 12:20 PM
er, yeah. i'm going to approach this one as if it weren't a bad beat post. i'm assuming that your opponent was on a reasonable, but widening range of raising hands.

in reality, you have the thinking entirely down, so don't change a thing. you had plenty of folding equity, and a great hand. getting called by KJ here is totally fine. when you get called here and the guy loses, you don't post about it, so don't post about it from now on when you lose the hand hte 35% of the time or whatever.

i'm not going to make a statement like "you want him to call" or anything like that because i really don't want to hear from the icm people on this one, since well, the guy shouldn't be calling.

jj is an easy push here, results are irrelevant.

Sam T.
04-14-2005, 12:21 PM
Getting all-in with a villain drawing that thin is a good thing. Villain is a durn fool idjit.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=247378
pokenum -h jc jd - kh jh
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Jd 1089689 63.64 595525 34.78 27090 1.58 0.644
Kh Jh 595525 34.78 1089689 63.64 27090 1.58 0.356

Sam

citanul
04-14-2005, 12:23 PM
eyo, and don't forget about the folding equity!

tech
04-14-2005, 12:24 PM
I'm certainly no expert, but this seems like an incredibly easy push to me. You were a huge favorite and he caught something. It happens.

JasonP530
04-14-2005, 12:26 PM
thanks cit. It wasnt meant as a bad beat post at all. Obviously if I win, I dont post it...I had just seen a lot of people laying down AQ and AJ close to the money, and wondered if that applied here. I thought he made a horrible call(esp given his big stack), but oh well. Thanks for the help

TruFloridaGator
04-14-2005, 12:37 PM
Look forward to playing this fish again /images/graemlins/smile.gif

FlipPoker
04-14-2005, 12:42 PM
You only have 5.5 big blinds left. You can't wait any longer. This is an easy push. Villain made a bad call and got lucky.

pooh74
04-14-2005, 01:08 PM
i'm not going to make a statement like "you want him to call" or anything like that because i really don't want to hear from the icm people on this one

love it...me neither

J-Lo
04-14-2005, 01:48 PM
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You only have 5.5 big blinds left. You can't wait any longer. This is an easy push. Villain made a bad call and got lucky.

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Umm.... last time i checked 2200/200=11x BB... What would u guys say if villain turned over AA?

I have a real question, what if this were 7 handed and u and villain had about 1600 each...

FlipPoker
04-14-2005, 02:15 PM
[ QUOTE ]
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 11292254)

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Sorry, I took the above line to mean that BB was 400.