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Sneezy
04-14-2005, 11:15 AM
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

The flop action was to make Mp2 to fold and make me heads up whit utg.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Ac (high card, ace).
UTG has 7h 8s (one pair, eights).
MP2 has 6h Kh (high card, king).
MP3 has 6c Jc (high card, jack).
Outcome: UTG wins 15.25 BB. </font>
Knowing that utg play every hands and that mp2 as showed some tendency to play tigh a fold on the flop is in order?

jrz1972
04-14-2005, 11:22 AM
Hand 1: If I'm going to take a stab at this pot (read-dependent), I strongly prefer leading out. I don't want to give anybody an ego-based excuse for peeling one off. Edit: For some reason I missed the PFR. I like the line you adopted.

Hand 2: I'd bet the flop with my overcards, gutshot, and bd flush. The check-raise is marginal but probably +EV if you can count on nobody folding to it.

joeski19
04-14-2005, 11:24 AM
Hand 1: I don't think the PF raiser is going to fold on that flop. Call the flop, fold the turn UI.

Hand 2: Don't we want to see the river as cheap as possible? Don't think a CR was a good idea.

MrWookie47
04-14-2005, 11:26 AM
In hand 2, giving him 9 outs for the flush and thee for the overcards, he has an minor equity edge with that many callers, so it's +EV to pump the turn. The only reason not to do so is that it sucks for anyone to fold.

ajrenni
04-14-2005, 11:38 AM
First hand I fold the flop rather than raise. Even if you are able to get the hand heads-up, you have few outs if you are behind and there are too many overcards to burn you if you are ahead. You missed the set - time to drop out and wait for the next hand.

Second hand I play the same. Betting into 5 players on the flop is not going to accomplish much, nor is check-raising, since there is only one player between you and the raiser. The possibility of being reverse-dominated and/or making your straight and chopping/losing makes betting/raising suspect, although the pot is big enough that you should at least call one bet. The turn raise is good since you will probably get everyone to come along for your flush draw.

- Andy

mvoss
04-14-2005, 05:10 PM
1: I'd fold this hand after the flop bet. After being raised on the flop I'd call. You're being offered 15.5-1 odds for making this call, so even with only 2 outs you should call this.

2: I think you played this one right. Maybe I'd just call the turn, but I'm very much in doubt here.