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Roy6

04-13-2005, 03:38 PM

I'm not scared of any draws here. What can you do here? I also tried checking out of position and only betting the turn - another fold. If you are in position do you bet if checked to on the flop?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

Justin A

04-13-2005, 03:47 PM

Absolutely bet. You'd be surprised what these donks will call with. Also, it's hands like these that you need to bet to protect the times when you have T9s on this board and need to bet.

stir

04-14-2005, 03:04 PM

Can you expand on that a little?
Why do you "need" to bet 10,9s on a board that gives you a backdoor flush draw, a gutshot str8 draw and no overcards?

Not disagreeing - just don't see your point.

bobman0330

04-14-2005, 03:47 PM

I believe his point is:
If you raised UTG with T9s, or something else that whiffed, you'd still always bet this flop here, getting 5.5-1. If you always check big hands in this spot, your opponents will eventually know that you have a big hand when you check and have nothing, or less something, when you bet. very bad for you. With some pot equity, it's even clearer

stir

04-14-2005, 04:24 PM

But would you raise UTG with 10,9s against typical $1/2 Party players? By typical I mean generally loose
passive - passive.

PassiveCaller

04-14-2005, 04:45 PM

It's just bet to bet a flop bet. The check is abnormal and you want to steal pots when you've raised to steal with little and miss so betting with your strong hands is a good idea.

Often on Ace flops if they dont call there isn't too much they'll catch either. These players will often not believe you and raising suspicions isn't a good idea. If they believe you too often you're just running unlucky or start stealing a bit more.

Guy McSucker

04-14-2005, 05:07 PM

It's not always a tiny pot.

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Preflop: Sucker MC is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, Sucker MC raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Sucker MC bets, UTG folds, MP raises, Button folds, Sucker MC 3-bets, MP caps, Sucker MC calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Sucker MC checks, MP bets, Sucker MC raises, MP 3-bets, Sucker MC caps, MP calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Sucker MC bets, MP raises, Sucker MC 3-bets, MP calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Sucker MC has As Ad (full house, aces full of nines).
MP has 4h Ah (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: Sucker MC wins 22.50 BB.

krishanleong

04-14-2005, 09:39 PM

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I believe his point is:
If you raised UTG with T9s, or something else that whiffed, you'd still always bet this flop here, getting 5.5-1. If you always check big hands in this spot, your opponents will eventually know that you have a big hand when you check and have nothing, or less something, when you bet. very bad for you. With some pot equity, it's even clearer

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This is correct. Think of the range of hands you'll be holding here and the range of reactions you want to get. Checking is no good without a solid read.

Krishan