did I miss a raise

[stlip]

Table is short handed as it is about to break up. Villain is the tightest player at the table. I was having one of those snakebit evenings -- whatever unlikely combination a player needed that's what he held, or the worst possible card for me is what came on the river. I don't think I let it affect my play here, but would like to know if some people see it differently.


Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

[@bsolute_luck]

i don't think you did based on a tight read. you don't have a great kicker, so he might have slowplayed or he hit a full house. call down seems fine to me.

[RaiNz]

I would 3bet the turn, and bet the river if checked to.
If villian caps the turn I call the cap, and call the river.

[cold_cash]

Why 3-bet the turn? The only hands he's likely to call with either have you beaten or chopping. The hands he folds you probably have crushed.

You're not beating anything but a bluff at this point, and you're chopping with most other Aces.

Call and collect a bet on the river when you're winning, and lose less when you're losing.

[gvibes]

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You're not beating anything but a bluff at this point, and you're chopping with most other Aces.

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I agree with the rest of your post, but you're chopping with A3, and A3 alone

[ajrenni]

I think you have to push back at him on the turn. Maybe he has a ten (this is more likely than him having the fourth ace), or maybe he figures you were bluffing on the flop. The check-raise is scary, but I would have it out with him here.

- Andy

[cold_cash]

You are correct sir!

Still, this makes me like a turn raise even less.

[gvibes]

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Still, this makes me like a turn raise even less.

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Yep. This was really the only way for hero to play this hand.

[deepsquat]

Id 3 bet the turn, he could have a ten. If he caps id just call the river, i cant drop 3 aces HU.

[stlip]

Villain had T8s, which kind of shocked me. I have seen him for a little more than 70 hands and his VPIP is 10 with PFR of 4 percent. I didn't give the full extent of my read because I didn't think there would be any discussion if people knew how tight he was.

To come into a raised pot head up against a non-maniac, even as BB, I would need Axs or Kxs or a medium PP (a better PP and obviously I would be 3 betting). So with such a tight player I was having a hard time believing he had called my initial raise without an A of his own.

I think if I had 3 bet in response to his raise on the turn he would have dropped the hand right there, so I actually got more by simply calling and then not giving him a free showdown after he checked the river.