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jfresh

04-12-2005, 10:58 PM

i'm losing 0.04 BB after 12k hands, winning 54%. assume all opponents are typical (extremely loose and overaggro, if i need to specify). any of these misplayed horribly?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

mperich

04-12-2005, 11:50 PM

Ur running badly, Im winning 63% of my AKo hands

-Mike

tongni

04-12-2005, 11:58 PM

Hand 1) Consider just calling down after the flop raise.
Hand 2) Oh well.
Hand 3) 3 bet the flop, get to showdown cheaper
Hand 4) I can make this fold against the right player.
Hand 5) Let this one go on the turn.

ALL1N

04-13-2005, 12:05 AM

You 3-bet the flop on the wrong hand. 3-Bet JJ9 (hand 3), but not 732 (hand 1).

Scotch78

04-13-2005, 12:20 AM

I seem to remember Schneids running in the red over a larger sample with AQ, so it's not unheard of.

Rodney D.

jfresh

04-13-2005, 01:51 AM

hand 1 - yeah i was gonna say i might have went off a bit too much on the flop.

hand 3 - i agree 3bet to get to showdown cheaper, stupid

hand 5 - thought it could be a flush raise, and the turn and river ended up being pretty raggedy so i called down...

MicroBob

04-13-2005, 04:48 AM

hand 4....what could he have here that you can beat?
maybe a strangely played AK also??
There isn't much else that is realistic except for A8 or something I suppose.
After he calls the try to take it on the turn I'm going to be letting it go...especially with the Q on the river.

BTW - My play with AK isn't exactly stellar and I'm trying to figure this stuff out too.

hand 1 - i'm not 3-betting this flop. he could have AQ or KJ or something perhaps but I still don't think a 3-bet is helping.

hand 2 - I probably play the same way

hand 3 - I am reluctantly playing the same way I think....but will certainly 3-bet the flop against certain opponents.

hand 5 - i see your point about the flush-raise...but I'm just not a big fan of calling down here.
You raised PF and he's check-raising you after only cold-calling PF...my spidey-senses are telling me that it's more likely he caught an actual piece of this board somehow.

nice examples though. A couple of them that are certainly worth thinking about.

Schneids

04-13-2005, 02:14 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I seem to remember Schneids running in the red over a larger sample with AQ, so it's not unheard of.

Rodney D.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was over ~75,000 hands.

jfresh

04-13-2005, 09:06 PM

bump... nothing major wrong with these hands? i agree they weren't 100% optimal but in the long wrong these plays won't make a huge difference?

danng721

04-13-2005, 10:56 PM

In the long run, they make a huge difference. The more hands you play, even a miniscule loss in BB can result in the loss of a lot of money.

One thing with playing AK is that you must rely on your reads. People can't really provide effective comments on your play without knowing the tendencies of the opponent in your hand. What I see here could be that you are bluffing a bit too much against calling stations, and that you are trying to catch bluffs too much.