crumpentunt
04-12-2005, 10:24 PM
I've finished reading SSH, and have been sporadically reading sections which I feel I need to brush up on or sections where I am finding certain concepts difficult to understand.
The concept I am struggling with right now is pot equity. I have been lurking here for awhile and have read a few posts on it, but there is one thing left that is confusing me.
Here is a quote from a post GrunchCan made regarding the topic,
You're confusing pot equity with pot odds.
Pot equity (actually, pot equity edge) is computed by comparing the chance that you will win the pot with what your "fair share" is. You determine what your fair share is by counting the number of opponents.
In this hand, you have around 20% pot equity becasue you will improve to the best hand and win about 20% of the time. (Count & discount the outs to determine this.) But there are a total of 5 people contending for the pot, including yourself. So your fair share is 1/5, or 20%. If your pot equity is more than youjr fair share, you have a pot equity edge, and you should raise. If you don't have an equity edge, it might be right to call (pot odds tell you this), but you can't raise for value.
Make sense?
My question that I have is, say you have a flush draw on the turn which will give you the nuts. Your pot equity would be 20% of the pot. There are six people in the pot in total (5 opponents). You are in UTG+1 and UTG has bet into the field. Since you represent 16.7% of the people in the hand and your pot equity is 20%, you have a pot equity edge and can then raise for value. But if you raise you would knock out some, if not all of the remaining opponents (except for UTG of course).
My question is, when you have a pot equity edge, is the concept always assuming that all of your opponents will call? Is it still raising for value if only 3 people call? The reason I ask this is that I don't know whether this concept takes into account people folding to your raise and only 2-3 people calling. If that were the case would the raise be a -EV play?
I see alot of posts where people suggest raising for value because you have a pot equity edge (concerning hands where if you knock out opponents, your equity edge would increase such as draws to the nuts), but I am not sure if these suggestions are taking into account everyone calls. If they weren't, then I am assuming just calling in these situations would be better.
Any comments or tips would be appreciated.
Great forum by the way, learned alot so far and plan on being a contributing poster.
The concept I am struggling with right now is pot equity. I have been lurking here for awhile and have read a few posts on it, but there is one thing left that is confusing me.
Here is a quote from a post GrunchCan made regarding the topic,
You're confusing pot equity with pot odds.
Pot equity (actually, pot equity edge) is computed by comparing the chance that you will win the pot with what your "fair share" is. You determine what your fair share is by counting the number of opponents.
In this hand, you have around 20% pot equity becasue you will improve to the best hand and win about 20% of the time. (Count & discount the outs to determine this.) But there are a total of 5 people contending for the pot, including yourself. So your fair share is 1/5, or 20%. If your pot equity is more than youjr fair share, you have a pot equity edge, and you should raise. If you don't have an equity edge, it might be right to call (pot odds tell you this), but you can't raise for value.
Make sense?
My question that I have is, say you have a flush draw on the turn which will give you the nuts. Your pot equity would be 20% of the pot. There are six people in the pot in total (5 opponents). You are in UTG+1 and UTG has bet into the field. Since you represent 16.7% of the people in the hand and your pot equity is 20%, you have a pot equity edge and can then raise for value. But if you raise you would knock out some, if not all of the remaining opponents (except for UTG of course).
My question is, when you have a pot equity edge, is the concept always assuming that all of your opponents will call? Is it still raising for value if only 3 people call? The reason I ask this is that I don't know whether this concept takes into account people folding to your raise and only 2-3 people calling. If that were the case would the raise be a -EV play?
I see alot of posts where people suggest raising for value because you have a pot equity edge (concerning hands where if you knock out opponents, your equity edge would increase such as draws to the nuts), but I am not sure if these suggestions are taking into account everyone calls. If they weren't, then I am assuming just calling in these situations would be better.
Any comments or tips would be appreciated.
Great forum by the way, learned alot so far and plan on being a contributing poster.