2-7 TD - When is it right to release the 9?

[Luv2DriveTT]

($1/$2 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Mad GZA is at seat 0 with $103.75.
HERO is at seat 1 with $110.
SP0NGE is at seat 2 with $95.75.
GiveUsYourFat is at seat 3 with $97.
thatpfunk is at seat 4 with $24.25.
GinzoPig is at seat 5 with $219.25.
The button is at seat 5.

Mad GZA posts the small blind of $.50.
HERO posts the big blind of $1.

Mad GZA: -- -- -- -- --
HERO: 3s 4d 6d 6h 9d
SP0NGE: -- -- -- -- --
GiveUsYourFat: -- -- -- -- --
thatpfunk: -- -- -- -- --
GinzoPig: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

SP0NGE folds. GiveUsYourFat folds. thatpfunk folds.
GinzoPig calls. Mad GZA raises to $2. HERO
calls. GinzoPig calls.

Mad GZA takes 2 cards. HERO takes 1 card.
GinzoPig takes 1 card.

Mad GZA: -- -- -- -- --
HERO: 3s 4d 6d 9d 7d
GinzoPig: -- -- -- -- --

Second Round:

Mad GZA checks. HERO bets $1. GinzoPig calls.
Mad GZA calls.

Mad GZA takes 1 card. HERO stands pat. GinzoPig
takes 1 card.

Mad GZA: -- -- -- -- --
HERO: 3s 4d 6d 9d 7d
GinzoPig: -- -- -- -- --

Third Round:

Mad GZA checks. HERO bets $2. GinzoPig folds.
Mad GZA raises to $4. HERO calls.

Mad GZA stands pat. HERO......

discuss.

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[thatpfunk]

Hello sir

[Luv2DriveTT]

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Hello sir

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I think I'm going to have to post a hand where i pwn3d ya...

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[Phat Mack]

First Round:

SP0NGE folds. GiveUsYourFat folds. thatpfunk folds.
GinzoPig calls. Mad GZA raises to $2.

Let's go through this step by step. You've got 34669. You're in the BB. You've got a caller behind you on the button. The SB raises. What's you plan for playing out this hand?

[Luv2DriveTT]

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Hello sir

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I think I'm going to have to post a hand where i pwn3d ya...

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Does this qualify as Signifigant pwnage? I just LOVED the second round, isn't it nice to push an agressor with a 9 off his hand? /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Hand #5256902-5340 at Epsom ($1/$2 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Started at 12/Apr/05 23:02:48

HERO is at seat 1 with $105.25.
SP0NGE is at seat 2 with $65.50.
GiveUsYourFat is at seat 3 with $63.
thatpfunk is at seat 4 with $44.50.
mikedeatworld is at seat 5 with $86.25.
The button is at seat 1.

SP0NGE posts the small blind of $.50.
GiveUsYourFat posts the big blind of $1.

HERO: 2d 8s 9h 4d Qc
SP0NGE: -- -- -- -- --
GiveUsYourFat: -- -- -- -- --
thatpfunk: -- -- -- -- --
mikedeatworld: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

thatpfunk raises to $2. mikedeatworld folds.
HERO calls. SP0NGE folds. GiveUsYourFat calls.


GiveUsYourFat takes 1 card. thatpfunk stands pat.
HERO takes 2 cards.

HERO: 2d 8s 4d 9s 5c
GiveUsYourFat: -- -- -- -- --
thatpfunk: -- -- -- -- --

Second Round:

GiveUsYourFat checks. thatpfunk bets $1. HERO
raises to $2. GiveUsYourFat folds. thatpfunk calls.


thatpfunk takes 2 cards. HERO stands pat.

HERO: 2d 8s 4d 9s 5c
thatpfunk: -- -- -- -- --

Third Round:

thatpfunk checks. HERO bets $2. thatpfunk
calls.

thatpfunk takes 2 cards. HERO stands pat.

HERO: 2d 8s 4d 9s 5c
thatpfunk: -- -- -- -- --

Final Round:

thatpfunk checks. HERO bets $2. thatpfunk
folds. HERO is returned $2 (uncalled).



Hand #5256902-5340 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $14.50.
HERO wins $14.

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[Luv2DriveTT]

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First Round:

SP0NGE folds. GiveUsYourFat folds. thatpfunk folds.
GinzoPig calls. Mad GZA raises to $2.

Let's go through this step by step. You've got 34669. You're in the BB. You've got a caller behind you on the button. The SB raises. What's you plan for playing out this hand?

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Are you trying to say it was a lousey call? I'm still a bit fishy in my TD blinds.... Its an area where I need work.

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[Phat Mack]

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First Round:

SP0NGE folds. GiveUsYourFat folds. thatpfunk folds.
GinzoPig calls. Mad GZA raises to $2.

Let's go through this step by step. You've got 34669. You're in the BB. You've got a caller behind you on the button. The SB raises. What's you plan for playing out this hand?

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Are you trying to say it was a lousey call? I'm still a bit fishy in my TD blinds.... Its an area where I need work.

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I'm only saying that you need a plan as to how you want to play out the hand. I'm not trying to be snide at all.

So here we are--what's your line of play?

[timprov]

I fold to the check-raise. Call and drop the nine if you have eight outs.

[DeathDonkey]

I pretty much don't coldcall in this game, so I don't like your predraw play. I think you got lucky that thatpfunk played his hand so weak.

In the first hand you posted I would have immediately dropped the 9, and even after you held it and hit the 7 I would still draw 1. I think against two opponents drawing one for two more rounds your nine will not be a favorite. My math sucks at this game though so that could be wrong, its mostly my intuition from playing experience.

-DeathDonkey

[Luv2DriveTT]

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First Round:

SP0NGE folds. GiveUsYourFat folds. thatpfunk folds.
GinzoPig calls. Mad GZA raises to $2.

Let's go through this step by step. You've got 34669. You're in the BB. You've got a caller behind you on the button. The SB raises. What's you plan for playing out this hand?

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Are you trying to say it was a lousey call? I'm still a bit fishy in my TD blinds.... Its an area where I need work.

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I'm only saying that you need a plan as to how you want to play out the hand. I'm not trying to be snide at all.

So here we are--what's your line of play?

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Sorry about that, miscommunication. I knew you weren't being snide, my responce was too abrupt to communicate that.

In hindsight there are two factors that tell me to fold this hand pre-flop.

1) I need to drop the 9. Its one thing to get the 9 on the 2nd or 3rd round, but its not a hand I want to start with out of the gate.

2) The 6 is a rough card, If it was a 7 this would have been a better hand to cold call with. If I recall correctly I factored this when I cold called, but I saw the 9 as my opportunity to play on. Since I should have dropped the 9 in the first place, this is a hand I should have never played on to the first draw.

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[Roswell]

You should never draw at a 9 out of position against 2 opponents. Also if you draw 2 and catch a 2, 5, or 7, you have a straight draw. I'd fold.

I would only defend this headsup in the BB.

[mscags]

I would have dropped the 9 the first round and drawn two and see what happened. The problem with keeping it is if you hit a rough 9 on the next round you are in trouble against two people still drawing. However, the way that you played it I think that you have to draw 1 again on the last draw. If you wouldn't have been reraised I think it is an easy stay, but after the reraise what can you beat? He knows that you stayed pat the draw before, so if he is raising you I would imagine he has at least an 8. However your read on the player would be crucial. If he has been very aggressive or likes to bluff or if he is just plain terrible I would stay pat.

[Luv2DriveTT]

For those who were wondering.... I dropped the nine and drew a VERY lucky duce. My opponent drew to a rough 8

[Chris Daddy Cool]

as the bb you should actually be regularly defending given the pot size, but you should also regularly be dumping rough hands without a deuce and with a six.

i'd fold here but if i decided to play i'm dumping the 9 and drawing two and take it from there.

[bobbyi]

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I pretty much don't coldcall in this game, so I don't like your predraw play.

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Calling a raise from the big blind is significantly different than coldcalling.

[Phat Mack]

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In hindsight there are two factors that tell me to fold this hand pre-flop.

1) I need to drop the 9. Its one thing to get the 9 on the 2nd or 3rd round, but its not a hand I want to start with out of the gate.

2) The 6 is a rough card, If it was a 7 this would have been a better hand to cold call with. If I recall correctly I factored this when I cold called, but I saw the 9 as my opportunity to play on. Since I should have dropped the 9 in the first place, this is a hand I should have never played on to the first draw.


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I agree with the above analysis. I don't care for the hand there.

You've got a 1-card draw to a 3469 and a 2-card draw to a 346. I was going to suggest that if, for whatever reason, you wanted to play to the nine, you might want to get it heads up by re-raising the SB, then reading his draws as you play out the hand. If Button decides to tag along, then there is always the notorious "Plan B" of ditching the 9 and drawing two cards. I don't think 9's are much good in the middle of two players.

[DeathDonkey]

He coldcalled on the button in the second hand he posted. That was what I was referring to.

-DeathDonkey

[Gabe]

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