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Deraj

04-12-2005, 03:27 AM

I felt pretty comfortable in this hand until the river card hit the deck. When the villain (18vpip 8pfr over 75hands) raised me on the turn I instantly put him on a K and as such when the board double paired I froze up. What is the best play here?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero...?

ChoicestHops

04-12-2005, 03:32 AM

Im not slowing down.

bottomset

04-12-2005, 03:34 AM

I check behind, its a win1, lose 2 situation, I don't think he has something besides a K 67% of the time

Ianco15

04-12-2005, 03:43 AM

I really don't think the villan can have any hand except a k or maybe 99. I don't like a value bet on this river. He check raised the turn, and I see him trying to do it again.

aK13

04-12-2005, 06:06 AM

Villain is weird. Check/call flop. Check/raise turn. Going for another check/raise on the river? I'll just check the river.

adsman

04-12-2005, 06:17 AM

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I really don't think the villan can have any hand except a k or maybe 99. I don't like a value bet on this river. He check raised the turn, and I see him trying to do it again.

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Hero 3-bet the Turn and villian just called. I think if he had one of those hands he would have probably capped it. Saying that, I check behind on the river. The 9 is a nasty card.

rgb

04-12-2005, 09:06 AM

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I really don't think the villan can have any hand except a k or maybe 99. I don't like a value bet on this river. He check raised the turn, and I see him trying to do it again.

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I think QJ is a possiblity considering villain's actions.

I'd still check it through though.

rgb

Matt Jenko

04-12-2005, 09:23 AM

initially misread hand.

the turn betting implies an already made hand, which trip kings is, although the slowplay on the flop is curious to me. i would check as i want to really show this down and facing a river raise would put me in a tricky spot as i am as yet not an accomplished turn/river player.

(adopting the "post before viewing reply" approach to using the boards...)

PokerProdigy

04-12-2005, 10:05 AM

Seems like the wrong spot to value bet, because he'll probably raise you when he's got you beat, and fold if he doesn't.

pointcount

04-12-2005, 10:35 AM

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I think QJ is a possiblity considering villain's actions.

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QJ is a cap on the turn for me considering hero's PF and flop action.

Regardless I think the general concensus is check it through and I tend to agree.

Deraj

04-12-2005, 12:56 PM

Thanks for all the responses everybody. Here is how the hand turned out, for those of you curious to see what happened.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Jh Qh (straight, king high).
Hero has Ts Tc (full house, tens full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.75 BB. 

As you can see I ended up checking behind him and taking it to showdown. One thing that I considered was betting and then folding to a raise. But I really wanted to see a his cards on this one as his play really confused me, and I wasn't very confident of my ability fold to a raise here on the river.