any opinions on this 20+2 AA hand? 15/30

[syphlix]

What to do here?... first round of tourney...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t620)
CO (t905)
Button (t760)
SB (t770)
BB (t785)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t890)
UTG+2 (t705)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t965)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t50</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t172.50) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero bets 175, MP2 raises all in, Hero ??????

[Voltron87]

Hero calls very fast.

[arod15]

Next time raise more under the gun. Having aces is nice, but a lot times its about timing. The guy who went all in, prob has a set or hit two-pair. There is the off
chance he is open ended or perhaps just has top pair and is a maniac. Either way, next time raise more protect those aces. Its better win a big pot that lose a small one. Another important note is dont ever be afraid of folding aces. To many people value them too highly post-flop, although there a great starting hand, after the flop never hesistate to dump them if you think your behind. Dont make the mistake of falling in love with them.

[Shanemex]

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Its better win a big pot than lose a small one.

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Really? /images/graemlins/confused.gif



Hehe, I think you have that backwards. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[valenzuela]

calls.

[valenzuela]

we are not in a tourney that the avg stack has 200x the BB for about 70 hands, we are in a tourney when we will have 5x the BB in 20 hands if we fold aces that easily post-flop.

[TruFloridaGator]

Raise more PF

[johnnybeef]

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Hero calls very fast.

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[johnnybeef]

ok arod, im cutting you a break since you are new...

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Next time raise more under the gun.

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no. you have an 80% edge that needs to get paid, you want to get callers, you just dont want to give them the odds to do so.

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Having aces is nice, but a lot times its about timing.

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time is something that you dont have much of. think about how many hands are played in an avg sng...80 maybe? there are not going to be many better oppertunities then this.

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There is the off
chance he is open ended or perhaps just has top pair and is a maniac

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at the 22's there is a very good chance that this person has 10s, aj, a draw, or many other hands which you are ahead...so much so that this is definately a +EV call.

the early stages of a sng is all about getting your big hands paid off. op is holding a big hand that i reckon is ahead 3/4 of the time. take this one to the bank.

[mike28]

falls over the table like Phil Hellmuth trying to get his chips in.

I doubt anyone in a 20 would be that agressive with a set or 2 pair. Get paid. holla

dammit this forum has got me saying holla way too much now

[willie]

raise more preeeeeflop

80-100hood

people LOVE to call preflop, but nevertheless you want to try to get this pot brewin early. you also want this to be a headsup pot for the most part.


say you raise to 50 utg, and 2 or 3 people call with trash, i could possibly complete here with 99 or a low pair and look to stack you if i flop a set. if you raise to 100 though, there is no way i'm investing that much preflop to try to flop a set- especially since there WON'T be 3 callers before me.

[johnny005]

I've heard alot about raising more pre flop, wouldnt you only get called a small percentage of the time?? I normally make the T50 raise and players call and do exactly what happened to you on this hand I call and win when they show me A-J, even K-j, T-j. My answer is CALL quickly... most of the time your ahead.

[BDarch]

I would have rasied to like 75 preflop and would call the flop raise

[syphlix]

ok i just wanted to check... sometimes when you're getting slapped in the face i guess it's good that there are people to confirm your choices...

obviously i called... and obviously i lost... low set... what can yah do...

only thing there doesn't seem to be agreement on... and what i think about a bit... is the preflop raise amount...

so some people think 3x is good... some people say more... i'm still not sure bout what to do there.... i mean... seems really really stupid to bet 100 first in when blinds are 10/15... but obviously a raise to 50 doesn't keep fish from calling either... shrug...

[Bluff Daddy]

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ok i just wanted to check... sometimes when you're getting slapped in the face i guess it's good that there are people to confirm your choices...

obviously i called... and obviously i lost... low set... what can yah do...

only thing there doesn't seem to be agreement on... and what i think about a bit... is the preflop raise amount...

so some people think 3x is good... some people say more... i'm still not sure bout what to do there.... i mean... seems really really stupid to bet 100 first in when blinds are 10/15... but obviously a raise to 50 doesn't keep fish from calling either... shrug...

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Personally I would raise around 75 but I dont think the diff. between 50-75 is that much. At this level players arent really thinking oh thats 5x the bb, theyre thinking oh thats only 75 of my 800 chips it wont hurt to see a flop.

[curtains]

I would raise from 40-60 here (usually 45-50). I would never make it 75-100. You can make so much from them when they just flop top pair, that it really doesn't hurt to have a few callers. They will give you all their chips with top pair a lot more often than they will take all your money with a set.