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mscags
04-10-2005, 03:55 AM
Does anyone else find that they lose a lot more money with KQ, KJ, QJ, suited and unsuited than anything else? I don't know if I'm playing them wrong or what, but I only win with them around 30% of the time according to PT. Anybody else finding this? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

cmwck
04-10-2005, 03:59 AM
I am winning with all of these hands, but both our sample sizes are probably way too small. You would have to look up each hand's average EV.

toss
04-10-2005, 05:16 AM
Play more hands and they should even out assuming you play correctly.

grjr
04-10-2005, 01:39 PM
After 17,000 hands at Party .50/1 I have the following stats:

KQs .64 BB/100
KQo .63
KJs .91
KJo .36
QJs .35
QJo .80

Out of the $998 I've made in that period $370 of it has come from those hands. Perhaps you're not playing them strong enough when you're ahead and getting out soon enough when you're beaten.

When you flop a strong draw in a multiway pot make sure you get all the money in there on the flop that you can. The check/raise from early position is your friend here. Then adjust your play on the turn as needed when you hit/miss your draw.

bozlax
04-10-2005, 01:47 PM
Here's an example hand I just played...what do you do on the flop, and why?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ?

Bigdaddydvo
04-10-2005, 01:50 PM
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Hero ?


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Checks and folds.

bozlax
04-10-2005, 01:51 PM
Oops. I meant for the OP to answer, and you forgot the "why."

grjr
04-10-2005, 01:54 PM
Bigdaddy is the kid who always blurted out the answers in math class. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Bigdaddydvo
04-10-2005, 02:25 PM
LOL...sorry for the lack of explanation.

You check and fold because you have nothing, no pair, no draw, and there's an overcard to your two on the board. I don't think this is a pot we bluff at.

Sasnak
04-10-2005, 02:33 PM
No. KQ and KQs are decent winners and +EV long term starting hands. I'll limp KQ UTG while raising with KQs. Post flop play is key with these hands.

mscags
04-10-2005, 02:43 PM
I think I would wait and see what happens first. If he checks to me I would probably bet and see if I could catch a free card on the next street if not bet again if I thought he was weak. If he bet I would fold because by calling preflop I'm dominated by just about any hand he would raise with besides a few like 10-10 JJ AJ and KJ