Online VS Casino Hold em

[420 Cabeza]

I've been playing low limit hold em live at casinos for about 9 months now. After reading a couple books and lurking on this forum pretty regularly I've gotten to where I can pretty consistantly win between $50 and $100 at a 2/4 or 4/8 table. It seems to me that that in a casino I run into many players who are there to really gamble and much like any other casino game they expect to lose and sometimes run off to the machines when the cards aren't going there way. A lot of players don't seem to know basic strategys like counting outs or even think about calculating pot odds. It seems to me that anyone playing online would have to take poker much more seriously. If you lose 1 or more times you would logically do a search for poker strategy and come across forums like this one where you can also buy books so I am a bit intimidated to play online. However from what I've read many people seem to feel quite contrary to this and I wonder why this is. So my question is to players who have experience in both live and online play. Are there as many bad,unknowledgeable players online?

[matix]

tons /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[AnnieCruz86]

Yes it is easier to research info online. But there is a lot of bad information out there. For every good article on online poker there are 10,000 spams about how how to lower your mortgage payments or increase your girth.

I think B&M players are more serious. They have the motivation to put on pants, get in the car, drive to the casino, and actually sit there for hours and hours. IMO they are just as if not more motivated as online players.

[Pov]

Personally I find live play dramatically easier than online play. My BB/100 is far superior live. However, my BB/hr is higher online because I can play multiple tables and the hand count is higher at all of them to boot. In general I would say Party $1/$2 is at least as "difficult" as most live $4/$8 games that I have played in or near. But there are plenty of terrible players online.

[bholdr]

I've played an unholy ammount of online poker, and have just started to get into live play.

The 4/8 games i've played in live have varied greatly. last night it was a damn rock garden and i got stuck for 200$. i later realized that there had been a 500$ buy-in tourney earlier in the day, and everyone there was a pretty serious player.

the previous session, i couldn't lose a hand. everyone was totally obvious about what they were doing- i didn't have to bring my SSHE game, WLLHE was plenty to fleece the gamblers. it played like a loose .50/1 game on party.


so my answer is this: it varies. also, even several months of live play doesn't give you enough hands to know weather you're getting lucky or playing well.


i'd have to say that it sounds like you've got some winnings to throw around- why not deposit 500$ on party, get the bonus, and take a shot? don't start any higher than 1/2 or you'll likely get creamed, however.

[RacersEdge]

I just started playing live too - and I have to say I find it easier than online. Live places are populated by people on vacation. So they can be playing craps or slots, get tired of that - walk a few feet and sit down to try out poker. Where online players have to set up an account, transfer money, download the software, etc - so there is more of a barrier to the casual player.

Online is not rock-like though - and the multi-table thing makes it attractive for making more money per hour.

[McGahee]

[ QUOTE ]


I think B&M players are more serious. They have the motivation to put on pants, get in the car, drive to the casino, and actually sit there for hours and hours. IMO they are just as if not more motivated as online players.

[/ QUOTE ]

That is ludicrous.
Read RacersEdge post.

[texasholdemnut]

I am the opposite, I started online, and have now crossed the boarder over to the live games. I find the live games much more difficult to win in. Don't get me wrong, their are some excellent players online, but their are also alot of people who have no business being there. For example, I hadn't play on partypoker for over a year, they send me a hat and credit my account with $50, saying please come back and play. So of course I do, I win $500 on $25 no limit tables in 3 weeks before finally busting out. I had people moving all in against me when I sat there with the nut flush, but most of my money came on mid pocket pairs and hitting my set on the flop. I feel some people online are too aggressive. One thing I can say is the cards fall different online than they do live, I don't care what anyone says, they fall different. You would probably do well online if you play a solid game, which it sounds like you do if your winning at the tables.

[scatter shot]

[ QUOTE ]
One thing I can say is the cards fall different online than they do live, I don't care what anyone says, they fall different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought your comment was interesting. I'm new to hold 'em, but have played craps and blackjack for many years. I find the same in those games - cards and dice fall differently live than from a computer program. Doesn't seem right, but the programs seem more "random" (for example, you don't get card clumping from a program like you can get live).

[RacersEdge]

[ QUOTE ]
the programs seem more "random"

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless it's blatant, humans cannot tell if something is random or not. For example, if cards never "clumped", that would be an example of NON-randomness.

[i wanna be me]

When a lot of online players go to B&Ms, they have a difficult time starting off - more distractions, no pokertracker, WAY fewer hands/hr - for a while the new (or at least different) atmosphere takes getting used to. You have to think - no odds charts or pre-flop hand charts. After that step - and you are in your element - live is 10 times easier than online.

[SoCal_Mike]

[ QUOTE ]
So my question is to players who have experience in both live and online play. Are there as many bad,unknowledgeable players online?

[/ QUOTE ]

The only thing that really matters is if you are a better player than them. There are tons of bad players at every poker room I've ever been to both online and offline. Yet they all think they are the best players ever, just like you.

No matter which place you start, the other side will seem daunting at first. After you get experience with both you'll understand that they're just different.

My suggestion is to pick one the large online cardrooms, make a deposit, and play until you get your bonus. Then try a completely different cardroom and do the same thing. Once you've played at two or three places you'll see even online the players vary from place-to-place and even night-to-night.

As long as you can adjust your game to the current table, you'll do fine. Its that adjustment that most people have trouble with.